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Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
7 Apr 2013 5:15pm
Posted in 2008: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Self-Landing-A-Rev/
Tried the board in the sand today and it worked a treat...
Is this considered to be a good/bad practice?
cutch
cutch
WA
67 posts
WA, 67 posts
7 Apr 2013 9:01pm
Despite my best efforts I never could reliably self-land my Rev, I think it's just the design - the bastards just want to keep flying! I've had no problems since I changed to Rallys, pulling the top front line works every time.

Not sure about the board in the sand method, sounds pretty unstable but I've never tried it so can't comment.
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
8 Apr 2013 1:28pm
iam sorry but DONT do the board trick if it is howling and gusty and something goes wrong not only have kite flying away but with a board on it smashing every thing in its path . THAT would have to be the most stupidest thing i have see here on SB .
beefarmer
beefarmer
WA
328 posts
WA, 328 posts
9 Apr 2013 11:36pm
not that i fly revs

but board in sand method works fine for 5th line kites. release kite to 5th. wait for it to fall and land on the beach. attach 5th to board in sand (or any fixed object). walk to kite and retrieve.

i wouldn't do this with a 4 line kite if there was any other option. e.g. another kiter to help you out. everynow and again, you'll get unlucky.... freak gust of wind, not enough sand on board, dog trips over lines.... many ways it can go pearshaped
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
10 Apr 2013 9:17pm
So basically
Get a 5 line or do it away from others...
And watch out for a board in the head
Got a diesel 3
troytam
troytam
QLD
80 posts
QLD, 80 posts
11 Apr 2013 10:21pm
One of the most commonly over looked techniques is using the EJECT,, or safety release- it is good once in a while to practise this method proving your lines etc are releasing correctly.. its only a matter of unclipping your eject or safety line from where you released on the beach ,, then after securing your kite walk your bar (away from your kite) feeding the eject line back through the bar till there is no line to feed back---- all done ----

DONT BE AFRAID - its better than your kite relaunching in 25 knots into a kite loop -- woooo hooooo straight into those onlookers watching that cool kiter guy--- FAAAARK THEY SAY !!!!!! he;s not so cool any more...

good luck
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
11 Apr 2013 9:10pm
Heres one Im sure to be stoned to death over !
"Such is Life"
Self launching is relatively simple and its easy to learn. Just go about it carefully and you shouldnt have a problem.
Self Landing is a whole other matter.
In anything but the lightest wind conditions it can become anything from problematic to probable disaster. When it decides its not going to work it can rapidly transform into a seriously dangerous situation which puts both you & your kite at risk.
IMO - if you are at all uncertain of the success of a self landing - park your kite at twelve; depower to the max; check all lines are clear & secure with your leash correctly attached then push out your Quick Release. Your kite will immediately lose power and flap harmlessly downwind until it hits the ground. By keeping control of one line via your leash you can easily prevent the kite from rolling around along the beach once its down.
Kooky - for sure - but its safe for you & the risk of damaging your kite on any reasonable beach is minimal.
Another option, if it comes in really nuking, is to go through the above motions just short of the beach so everything stops while you & your kite are still in the safety of the water. Obviously your pre-kite beach assessment should have rated your safest emergency exit strategy - esp now its coming up for winter.
NEVER self land if there is someone around to assist.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
12 Apr 2013 9:02am
I self land every single time I kite these days, but it's normally closer to 20kts than 30.

It has gone wrong once in the last 50 times, but I have the beach space at my local to deal with it.

The vids that were in a recent thread really helped fine tune my technique.

Land on tip
reach up and grab handful of both front lines
walk around upwind while unhooking chicken loop
yank top line hard

It seems to work great with practice, ie commitment and timing are important.

I wouldn't ever do the board in sand thing - risks a board flying at the back of your head.

SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
12 Apr 2013 1:43pm
kiteboy dave said...
I self land every single time I kite these days, but it's normally closer to 20kts than 30.

It has gone wrong once in the last 50 times, but I have the beach space at my local to deal with it.

The vids that were in a recent thread really helped fine tune my technique.

Land on tip
reach up and grab handful of both front lines
...



So, silly follow up question, you land on tip as in one of your rear/steering lines are on the deck, right?

This being the case, when you pull the front lines... you're effectively pushing the nose of the kite 'down' towards you, so the wind is hitting the top surface of the kite, yes?
moon waxing
moon waxing
WA
313 posts
WA, 313 posts
12 Apr 2013 5:05pm
kiteboy dave said...
walk around upwind while unhooking chicken loop


I often self land in 20 knots+, I think the key point is to walk around whilst keeping tension on only the top centre line. I unhook and remove the safety so there is no chance of tension on the back lines and am nearly directly down wind before giving the centre top line a yank.

I see so many people trying to self land but don't walk around and consequently relaunch the kite.
bene313
bene313
WA
1347 posts
WA, 1347 posts
12 Apr 2013 10:42pm
moon waxing said...
kiteboy dave said...
walk around upwind while unhooking chicken loop


I often self land in 20 knots+, I think the key point is to walk around whilst keeping tension on only the top centre line. I unhook and remove the safety so there is no chance of tension on the back lines and am nearly directly down wind before giving the centre top line a yank.

I see so many people trying to self land but don't walk around and consequently relaunch the kite.


This is the key to self landing imo.

Otherwise if too windy, say 30kn... kite at 12 release to safety. Works every time.
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
13 Apr 2013 1:55pm
I don't understand why more people don't just pull the QR. It's designed to depower the kite fully and you're able to pull up the line to catch your kite. Simple! Yeah sure, the lines are a mess and a pain to reset. but mate... it's waaaayyyy safer than doing smart-arse pull this line or that to try and park the kite. But like KP said... if there are people around that can land it for you - you would be STUPID not to ask for a hand.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
13 Apr 2013 12:09pm
Dont be put off by all the problems talked about.
Practice practice practice in light winds in clear safe areas. As confidence builds up the ante so you can assess every day what will be appropriate for you.
EVERY kiter should be able to self land competently in ALL conditions. You need to know whats safe for you in every situation.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
13 Apr 2013 3:24pm
Bedtime story for u'all.

Once upon a time in the middle of a dark and stormy day one intrepid little kiter decided the up&down but not too gusty 14/15kt SWer was good for a short session. Our little kiting buddy pumped his trusty 13M (I think at the time it was a Fuel )
All good. Actually ripped along pulling the trigger as each squally gust hit and bounced & bumped along in the chop back upwind.
UNTIL ...
Along came another gust. Easy to pick as it crossed the bay but not looking a lot different to the earlier easily managed fun ones. There were the ominous black clouds approaching but they seemed a way off yet. No problem. Another boost on the way back in and check the clouds again next time.
WRONG....
The next gust came in a bit quicker than expected. Caught me right out at the transition point. No chance of a boost even if it had been the right time & place. The initial hit ripped me off the board mid-turn. By the time I had recovered the board it was howling and still getting wilder by the second. Made one attempt to get up on the board. There was no chance. It was now truly ripping through my kite. Forgot the board. Parked the kite at 12 only to find myself being lifted & dunked just like the proverbial tea-bag. By the time I had been lofted & dunked about ten times - higher up with less of a dunking each time -I was getting close to the beach. Totally unable to do anything but try to keep it at 12.
Used the QR to safety method (above) when I was as close as I dared go - I was probably covering about 40/50 metres per loft. The kite went crazy on the end of the one line with still enough flapping power to drag itself & then me up onto the beach.
Happy Ending.
Secured the kite, rinsed out my pants and went home - still shaking (it was a cold day!)
shane75
shane75
QLD
209 posts
QLD, 209 posts
14 Apr 2013 9:14am
puppetonastring said...
Bedtime story for u'all.

Once upon a time in the middle of a dark and stormy day one intrepid little kiter decided the up&down but not too gusty 14/15kt SWer was good for a short session. Our little kiting buddy pumped his trusty 13M (I think at the time it was a Fuel )
All good. Actually ripped along pulling the trigger as each squally gust hit and bounced & bumped along in the chop back upwind.
UNTIL ...
Along came another gust. Easy to pick as it crossed the bay but not looking a lot different to the earlier easily managed fun ones. There were the ominous black clouds approaching but they seemed a way off yet. No problem. Another boost on the way back in and check the clouds again next time.
WRONG....
The next gust came in a bit quicker than expected. Caught me right out at the transition point. No chance of a boost even if it had been the right time & place. The initial hit ripped me off the board mid-turn. By the time I had recovered the board it was howling and still getting wilder by the second. Made one attempt to get up on the board. There was no chance. It was now truly ripping through my kite. Forgot the board. Parked the kite at 12 only to find myself being lifted & dunked just like the proverbial tea-bag. By the time I had been lofted & dunked about ten times - higher up with less of a dunking each time -I was getting close to the beach. Totally unable to do anything but try to keep it at 12.
Used the QR to safety method (above) when I was as close as I dared go - I was probably covering about 40/50 metres per loft. The kite went crazy on the end of the one line with still enough flapping power to drag itself & then me up onto the beach.
Happy Ending.
Secured the kite, rinsed out my pants and went home - still shaking (it was a cold day!)


Motto is if a squal comes through and your in it never park it at 12 like this poor fella, instead pull the trim in to 100% depower park it on the water at edge of window prefebably so that it's either pulling you cross shore or slightly off shore assess the conditions if it doesnt look like its gonna pass over release your saftey and kite, swim back and if your lucky you can run down the beach and catch it before it hits the sand. Better to do the walk of shame than the ride of pain bebabebabeba paging humpty dumpty's doctor
Oh yeah also by parking kite on edge of window you can keep your board in the water in front of you acting like an anchor slowing your rate of travel and possibly giving you enough time for someone to hear or see you calling for help and rush down to save your precious kite, unlike parking at 12 being lofted in the air having no control and possilbly landing on rocks other people, in a tree or power lines like i've seen happen a few times so far.
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