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PoSM
PoSM
13 posts
13 posts
29 May 2011 1:44pm
Hi, Just started kiting (only a couple of lessons so far) and I've got a few weeks stuck at work before I can get out so I thought I might as well try and clear a few doubts.

I'm heading over to Vanuatu and will be doing lessons for most of the week I'm there however after that I'll be on my own and whilst I don't want to go recklessly endangering my life, I don't want to waste a good day in the tropics if there's good wind just because there's nobody around to help me launch/recover.

1: How much experience (say, in hours) is reasonable to be able to kite solo if there is no other kiters around or if they are already out on the water?

and 2: What do people do with their pumps once they've inflated their kites to ensure they don't go walkabout? I'm not sure I've got much to worry about in Vanuatu but I will be over in Phuket later in the year and I've had things stolen there in the past. Is it just a case of leave it on the sand and keep your fingers crossed? Is it practical (or dangerous) to carry some sort of small stash bag that could attach to your harness or alternatively a small backpack?

Cheers!
Hop
Hop
QLD
91 posts
Hop Hop
QLD, 91 posts
31 May 2011 10:42am
Kiting with other kiters is not kiting solo. Just make sure you say hi, profess to being a newbie, ask for tips and tell them how great they are (instant friends).
I would recommend that you never kite solo no matter how much experience you have. Equipment can break, wind can drop, conditions can change, currents can impact on you if you end up in the water for what ever reason. You may have an attack or crash poorly. To consider kiting solo particulary when first entering the sport would be foolish. It is always nice to know someone has your back. Australias kiting community looks out for each other but I'm not sure about the kiters in the countries you mention.
PoSM
PoSM
13 posts
13 posts
31 May 2011 12:13pm
I do realise the dangers of being in the water completely solo and will avoid this wherever possible however the areas where I am heading might not always have people in the water kiting. They are however almost always guaranteed to have at least a few people pottering around the vicinity in small boats and/or other watercraft who I'm sure would be able to render assistance in a worst-case scenario (I do have a PFD).

After spending a couple of grand on flights, accommodation, lessons and safety equipment I can't see myself sitting on the beach at a known 'safe' kiting spot on a good wind day if there are other water users out there but no kiters (obviously I'd be sticking to the kiting spots and not heading straight for the Jet-Ski demolition derby)

My main concerns are launching/recovering my kite - Is it reasonable to expect to be able to do this safely on my own after say 12 hours of lessons? and what are the best ways to safeguard my gear whilst I am out on the water?
Hop
Hop
QLD
91 posts
Hop Hop
QLD, 91 posts
31 May 2011 4:53pm
I've seen people make mistakes or even do stupid things when they have supposedly been kiting for more than 12 months so I don't think the time is going to make any difference. You need to fully understand how to ditch your kite (and have practiced it enough to be second nature) when things go wrong while you are either launching or landing and how your safety will or won't work. Always remember to make sure there are no people, powerlines or hard objects down wind from you when launching and landing. Sounds simple but apparently its not for many newbies because they see experienced kiters launch and land in more restricted spaces. Double check your lines are connected to the right tails and not crossed. It may not even be your fault and a bridle / line / connection breaks. Be safe.
As for leaving bags/pumps unattended, maybe you can pay a local to look after it for you (help out the local economy). I amazed there isn't some enterprising kid pumping up peoples kites for them for cheap.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
31 May 2011 8:00pm
In your last few lessons you should practise relaunching, pinging the primary safety (to flag the kite not release it) and recovering from that and self rescuing. If you go through all of this with supervision you'll get an idea of what you can do. As for what you can't do...

... When you start riding it will be common for you to crash your kite whilst still riding towards it. If this happens it will likely roll through its lines. You will need the patience and comprehension of how the kite moves when crashed to get your kite to the point where you can again relaunch it and ride back to the beach to either thread your bar back through your lines (more advanced) or detach, re-run and re-attach your lines (more foolproof).

As you get better you'll be more able to keep your lines tight when the kite crashes by carving away from it (upwind) with whatever momentum you have. Still, even experts crash in such a way that roll throughs are inevitable. Just another common thing you'll need to have sorted before solo kiting.
ryebloke
ryebloke
VIC
54 posts
VIC, 54 posts
1 Jun 2011 1:59am
Pay one of the 'Beach Hire' dudes to look out for you and use their rescue boat if you get stuck, they can also look after your pump.
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
1 Jun 2011 6:02am
Dont think i would be worried about the pump sounds like way more chance of loosing the board.
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
1 Jun 2011 6:09pm
If you insist on going solo find a lagoon at the right tide to give you up to waist deep water and onshore winds. It is better to have a buddy, if only on the beach watching.

I pretty much learnt doing this solo in PNG. You can wade out a long way and make all the mistakes you want. Provided you can stand up there is little you can't recover from.

Remember the booties though. Likely plenty of coral and urchins around.
PoSM
PoSM
13 posts
13 posts
2 Jun 2011 6:57pm
Cheers for the tips! I can already see myself getting in all manner of tangles but c'est la vie.

Hopefully I can get plenty of time on the water this leave. I've already contacted the kite-school in Vanuatu and have arranged heaps of lessons. Here's hoping the wind plays ball!

BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
2 Jun 2011 11:18pm
Sounds like you've had quite a few lessons. It's good to be cautious but there also comes a time to push yourself a bit. Even after years of kiting things can and do go wrong. just last week I snapped a centre line about 500m from shore, tiring swim back in. There were other kiters around but still, not much they could do.
QLD, 481 posts
7 Jun 2011 11:20am
If your going out by your self make sure you wear a life jacket, helmet and probably a waterproof bag with phone in it. Solo can be done, especially if you've had lesson, but just presume when you go out it will go wrong, and don't go anywhere too dangerous (ie reef break, strong rips, off shore wind etc). If you can at least tell people where you're going and time expected back and mobile phone only works if there is reception and you have 000(112) on speed dial.
Remember be extra careful hope this helps
George
NSW, 4382 posts
12 Jun 2011 2:17pm
PoSM said...

Cheers for the tips! I can already see myself getting in all manner of tangles but c'est la vie.

Hopefully I can get plenty of time on the water this leave. I've already contacted the kite-school in Vanuatu and have arranged heaps of lessons. Here's hoping the wind plays ball!




I've been there, you definitely need to take hi top booties with reinforced soles, do not take low cut ones, the sand is very coarse ground coral and will get inside low cut booties and be agonising. Take care its quite an undeveloped country, not a good place to get injured.

PoSM
PoSM
13 posts
13 posts
2 Jul 2011 11:33am
Well, it turns out I didn't have any issues at all. Namely because in 8 days I got into the water once. for 2 hours.

Wind was non-existent around Port Vila and whilst I reckon it may have been better on the East of the island I was unable to get lessons out that way. Back in Melbourne things haven't been much better.

So that's been 9 weeks now (apart from a 2 week break at work) since starting the sport and buying my kit where I've been available everyday for lessons and the weather has either not been playing ball or tuition has not been available. This sport really is trying my patience. I'm just thankful now that my rotator cuff is healed up again so I can at least get back out in the water for some proper surfing (Oh. Couldn't do that in Vanuatu either as there was no swell there for the entire week!)

As for Vanuatu itself, it's a nice place but a tad pricey and not much fun for solo travellers.
gremlin12
gremlin12
NSW
41 posts
NSW, 41 posts
12 Jul 2011 10:41pm
Just come back from Vanuatu
It's a fun place to Kite, The Ni-Vans are a great audience they cheer and the kids go crazy as you kite past them.
This time of year the trade winds blow Sun up to sunset, with the right kites you'll be out all day.
Like most places there are hazards here aswell
If you end up in some of the remote areas, Talk to the locals before you go out they they don't need to be kiters to know about the area, wind and water.
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