Staying upwind toeside

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spikeysteve
spikeysteve
WA
84 posts
WA, 84 posts
1 Aug 2011 4:23pm
Ive been kiting for 1 season, riding twin tips and strapped surfboards, mainly in waves

The main trouble im having is staying upwind while riding toeside. My jybing is bad at the moment, its one of my main goals for next season, and I can just hold my line riding toeside on my strapped surfboard, but as soon as i catch a wave or lose and ground its impossible for me to make up, and so i have to either do downwinders or walks of shame.

Any tips for going toeside? weight more forward, or back towards the fins?
coreyb
coreyb
WA
463 posts
WA, 463 posts
1 Aug 2011 7:11pm
You will never get the same angle going toe side. You can try and stamp on your back foot and go slow, if your powered that can work. If you cant switch your feet easy, it is worth going past the waves toe side, then stopping and starting again riding switch to make up ground.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
2 Aug 2011 9:53am
A sliding spreader bar like the Dynabar makes up wind toeside much easier.
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
2 Aug 2011 9:20am
KIT33R said...

A sliding spreader bar like the Dynabar makes up wind toeside much easier.


Yep i'll second that im 95kg and when toeside i need some power,but got a dynabar a while ago and its way easier to crank upwind toeside with way less wind,also its heavily dependent on angle of wind to angle of surf,some days its magic but other days it can suck.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
2 Aug 2011 12:36pm
Just practice some more. Ride toeside and chase the kiter in front of you but jam harder and overtake them on the upwind side (leaving them plenty of room and keeping your kite well away from theirs).

For surfboard riding, also practice swapping feet. Riding heelside is less tiring and you will always go harder upwind than riding toeside (unless you can twist your back about 270 degrees. )

Once you get good at it swapping feet is the best fun and can be done in an instant without thinking about it. When you combine it with strong toeside skills you will be having far more fun than anybody else.

In general you always want more weight on your front foot with your back foot trimming. You only load your back foot hard when you are *well* powered up and want to jam even further upwind.

Even on a strapped board don't get your feet welded into the straps. It is often better to have the back foot on the deck in front of the back strap. My front foot is often to the side of the strap with just my big toe touching the strap.

You might want to wax your deck between the pads and/or wear booties to increase grip. Also open your straps so they are easy to get in and out of.
spikeysteve
spikeysteve
WA
84 posts
WA, 84 posts
3 Aug 2011 7:05pm
Thanks for the advice guys. The dynabars look good, since most of what i enjoy most is on a surfboard in waves (and a natural footer in perth) i may invest in one of them.

And from what you guys are saying, front foot is the way to go, if you are powered enough. can do.

and tacking is my skill to learn next season. doh! so far, i have found that much harder than getting up on the board in the first place. oh well, push on...

Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
3 Aug 2011 11:39pm
There is a zone on a board from near the front strap to just in front of the back strap (or the corresponding foot positions if you don't have straps). It's a bout a third of the board surface area, biased towards the rear half.

As long as you keep your feet somewhere in that zone and your body weight pushing down through that zone you can do anything you like on a board. Heelside, toeside, both feet together. Jump around. Shuffle. Anything.

Think of your body weight pushing down from the harness, through your legs, through the zone on the board, then straight through the lines to the kite. You will be rock solid stable and the board will keep planing.

You can practice having your weight too far forward on the board (the nose sinks), or too far back (the board accelerates and you can fall off the back).

On of my favourite moves coming out of a carve is to swap feet and get my feet a little too far back on the board. The board scoots forward and I fall back but the kite pulls my body back into line on the board and I come out with a blast of speed.
NSW, 4382 posts
8 Aug 2011 9:25pm
coreyb said...

You will never get the same angle going toe side. You can try and stamp on your back foot and go slow, if your powered that can work. If you cant switch your feet easy, it is worth going past the waves toe side, then stopping and starting again riding switch to make up ground.


I used to think that too, until I got a Dynabar, now I can crank upwind toeside at almost the same angles as heelside.
http://www.kitepower.com.au/kiteboarding/harnesses/accessories-1.html
woodys
woodys
WA
218 posts
WA, 218 posts
8 Aug 2011 10:25pm
Hey Spikey
We have the Dyna Bar on demo. Lots of great reports from wave riders and anyone who likes the toe-side edge. Come & give it a try sometime.
spikeysteve
spikeysteve
WA
84 posts
WA, 84 posts
9 Aug 2011 11:09am
woodys said...

Hey Spikey
We have the Dyna Bar on demo. Lots of great reports from wave riders and anyone who likes the toe-side edge. Come & give it a try sometime.


Thanks, will do.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
9 Aug 2011 3:14pm
Another trick - tried by some (but Ive never done it myself so just hearsay).
Larger fins on your toeside edge ?
Sounds logical but may grab when ur heelside - if you go too big.

Maybe worth playing around with - esp if you are just learning upwind toeside.
woodys
woodys
WA
218 posts
WA, 218 posts
10 Aug 2011 10:03am
coreyb said...

You will never get the same angle going toe side.


Hey Corey - not sure Youngy would agree with you on that one
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
10 Aug 2011 1:46pm
With a Dyana Bar theres not much in it with toeside and heelside angles,Dynabar takes a little getting used to when doing toeside heelside loop carves as you get pulled round from your hip but as soon as you get used to flicking your hips while initiating the turn to centre the spreader then its all good.
QLD, 481 posts
14 Sep 2011 9:49pm
If you can do it healside you can do it toeside the board and kite are the same its just the kiter who rides different usually people put there weight to far back on the board and go down wind or stall the kite or both . Just think about what you are doing or not doing . Not to say Ive got this nailed but when Im doing it wrong Im to far back and I know it (doesnt seem to help ) will admit some gear makes toeside easier but on a whole its the rider
Hope this helps George
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
15 Sep 2011 12:16pm
What is the difference to the dyna V5 too the V6 other than prrice
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
15 Sep 2011 6:16pm
1 season in..... The main thing has already been mentioned. Get your weight forward on your board, Thats why I hate straps. It is because there is less surface area/volume on the back of a surfboard than your twin tip. Get your twinny and put the back strap where your back foot on your surfboard would go. You must get your weight forward.
The other main issue is probably your kite angle. When riding toeside, you must work and sign your kite at an angle LOWER than 45 degrees. Any higher and your harness turns your front shoulder downwind and presto, thats where you head...
So...Get your feet out of the straps and go as forward as possible, sign your kite agressively lower than 45 to maintain your edge, and then sign at about 40 degrees, you'll have your gybes down in no time. On long upwind tacks, chicken gybe to heelside and save your body.

EDIT: use bigger boards to get it nailed..
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
16 Sep 2011 11:42am
Hi Spikeysteve,

I don't suppose you are riding wearing a seat (nappy) harness are you? It's impossible to go upwind toeside with a nappy harness unless you spend another fortune on a Dynabar.

A decent wave harness should slip around your body as required. Look for harnesses with full neoprene inner surface, not the thermoformed foam. Thermoformed foam tends to stick you your skin and wetsuits etc preventing them from easily slipping around.

I can ride upwind as good if not better on my toeside on a surfboard or twin tip, it's just not comfortable on long tacks where it is better to switch to heelside by gybing. This allows your back leg to rest before crankin' it down the line again.

DM
QLD, 481 posts
19 Sep 2011 8:49pm
I dont know about that Darren ive got a stuffed back so have to use a seat harness and i ride up wind toeside pretty good (and dont have a dynabar / yet )
Have fun George
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