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Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
17 Sep 2011 12:48pm
Hi everyone!
I always dreamt about kitesurfing, and finally I've decided to start doing something about it!
So, here's a LOT of questions, since I am pretty much clueless..

1 - I'm in Sydney (near Bankstown actually), what kind of wetsuit should I buy with this area's weather? I've found online that there are longjohns, shortjohns, steamers, springsuits... what are the plus/down sides of having one of those?
And do I need boots/gloves?

2 - I only played with kites when I was a kid (I had one of those directional kites with the two rings to turn around).. should I buy a trainer kite, or should I just go for the lessons?

3 - I'm 63 kg and 175 cm.. any idea about what kind of boards / kites should I need (I'll wait 'til I finished my lessons to buy, but it's better to hear other opinions)

4 - Is Kitepower a good kite school?

thanks to the brave that would read them all and answer me

djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
17 Sep 2011 12:54pm
Easiest answer is drop in to Kitepower for a chat. They run a quality operation and they'll show and tell you all you need to know.
Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
17 Sep 2011 1:23pm
oook, then I think I'll do that asap.
thanks for the advice!
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
17 Sep 2011 1:48pm
Silence,

Are you are confident swimmer, if not think about brushing up on this skill as well as thinking about your kite flying skills. no matter which wetsuit you buy, they will create additional drag on your swimming, and thus making it difficult, if you need to self rescue. alot of non watersports people forget the swimming aspect, which in my mind is one of the most important skills to have.

Welcome to the world of kiting. Drop into Kitepower, Steve, And the team will be ale to help you out with all your questions.

Steamer wetsuit in winter
Boardshorts rashie in summer or springsuit / short john.

I prefer the short John in summer when i go for a surf it doesnt restrict your arms as much as a springy.

KR

Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
17 Sep 2011 5:04pm
kyteryder said...

Silence,

Are you are confident swimmer, if not think about brushing up on this skill as well as thinking about your kite flying skills. no matter which wetsuit you buy, they will create additional drag on your swimming, and thus making it difficult, if you need to self rescue. alot of non watersports people forget the swimming aspect, which in my mind is one of the most important skills to have.

Welcome to the world of kiting. Drop into Kitepower, Steve, And the team will be ale to help you out with all your questions.

Steamer wetsuit in winter
Boardshorts rashie in summer or springsuit / short john.

I prefer the short John in summer when i go for a surf it doesnt restrict your arms as much as a springy.

KR



yeah, I can swim pretty well, but I've never tried after hours of falling down from the board, so I guess that I'll just have to try and pray

thanks for your help.. I didn't really thought about the whole "swimming part" before (It was more of a "water=sharks=bad" thought, really )
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
20 Sep 2011 9:43am
Silence said...

Hi everyone!
I always dreamt about kitesurfing, and finally I've decided to start doing something about it!
So, here's a LOT of questions, since I am pretty much clueless..

1 - I'm in Sydney (near Bankstown actually), what kind of wetsuit should I buy with this area's weather? I've found online that there are longjohns, shortjohns, steamers, springsuits... what are the plus/down sides of having one of those?
And do I need boots/gloves?

2 - I only played with kites when I was a kid (I had one of those directional kites with the two rings to turn around).. should I buy a trainer kite, or should I just go for the lessons?

IF you don't mind spending the money, trainer kites are very helpful, particularly when starting out. If you get a few lessons, the instructor may have a loner you can use anyway.

3 - I'm 63 kg and 175 cm.. any idea about what kind of boards / kites should I need (I'll wait 'til I finished my lessons to buy, but it's better to hear other opinions)

For general east coast winds, at 63kg you'll probably get away with a 10m and board of 130-134. That said, easier to learn on a bigger board. Don't spend too much early on as you'll probably want to upgrade when you are more experienced.

4 -Is Kitepower a good kite school?

thanks to the brave that would read them all and answer me

If you're anything like me, you won't be praying for help swimming, just for better wind.



Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
20 Sep 2011 11:53am
BurkeyBoy said...

Silence said...

Hi everyone!
I always dreamt about kitesurfing, and finally I've decided to start doing something about it!
So, here's a LOT of questions, since I am pretty much clueless..

1 - I'm in Sydney (near Bankstown actually), what kind of wetsuit should I buy with this area's weather? I've found online that there are longjohns, shortjohns, steamers, springsuits... what are the plus/down sides of having one of those?
And do I need boots/gloves?

2 - I only played with kites when I was a kid (I had one of those directional kites with the two rings to turn around).. should I buy a trainer kite, or should I just go for the lessons?

IF you don't mind spending the money, trainer kites are very helpful, particularly when starting out. If you get a few lessons, the instructor may have a loner you can use anyway.

3 - I'm 63 kg and 175 cm.. any idea about what kind of boards / kites should I need (I'll wait 'til I finished my lessons to buy, but it's better to hear other opinions)

For general east coast winds, at 63kg you'll probably get away with a 10m and board of 130-134. That said, easier to learn on a bigger board. Don't spend too much early on as you'll probably want to upgrade when you are more experienced.

4 -Is Kitepower a good kite school?

thanks to the brave that would read them all and answer me

If you're anything like me, you won't be praying for help swimming, just for better wind.






ehi, thanks for the aswers! yeah, probably as soon as I get onto the board I'll forget every kind of fear and just wish to go faster
by the way I bought a trainer kite, and yesterday I made my first flight.. not so hard as I tought, even tough the wind wasn't steady at all (i was in a park in the town, not at a shore, so maybe that's the reason) .. but still managed to learn how to guide it with one hand, and some basic stuff...
lookin forward for the actual lessons, but one of the girls at kitepower told me that they start in 2-3 weeks from now.. guess I'll do a lot of practice with the trainer, 'til then


ah! I was tryin' to figure out a budget for the equipment (to buy after I took the lessons).. is it possible to spend no more than 1000 $ for kite(with bars and lines)+board+harness? used stuff, obviously...
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
20 Sep 2011 1:07pm
Kitepower at Sans Souci have a pre-loved collection of kites/bar/lines, boards.

You should be able to get kite with bar and lines, not too old, for under $1000. Board + harness extra. Second hand boards sell for $300 - $600. Get a new harness and wetsuit.

This time of year, at the begining of the season, the experienced guys are trading up to new models and are desparate to get rid of gear 1-2 years old. New season stock is only a week or 2 away.

You'll plenty of honest advice at the shop.

Alternately, if you know what you want, try the Buy & Sell section here on Seabreeze.
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
21 Sep 2011 5:16pm
ehi, thanks for the aswers! yeah, probably as soon as I get onto the board I'll forget every kind of fear and just wish to go faster
by the way I bought a trainer kite, and yesterday I made my first flight.. not so hard as I tought, even tough the wind wasn't steady at all (i was in a park in the town, not at a shore, so maybe that's the reason) .. but still managed to learn how to guide it with one hand, and some basic stuff...
lookin forward for the actual lessons, but one of the girls at kitepower told me that they start in 2-3 weeks from now.. guess I'll do a lot of practice with the trainer, 'til then


ah! I was tryin' to figure out a budget for the equipment (to buy after I took the lessons).. is it possible to spend no more than 1000 $ for kite(with bars and lines)+board+harness? used stuff, obviously...


My first kite cost $550. I flew it for a season then sold it for $375 when I upgraded. It was basic, a Naish Boxer, but did the job to learn on. You'll tend to lean toward the same type of kite that you get lessons on. You don't need to get something 1 yr old though. Kite safety has really progressed from several years ago when I learned so even if you buy say a Cabrinha Switchblade 08 or Naish Helix, the safety levels are good and you'll only pay out $450-$600. It's worth buying a new harness, though bargains can be picked up, ebay can be good, particularly if you can see before you buy. Boards can be trickier. Kiters tend to hold on to them for longer than kites. You may get a bargain like I did a few months ago. A girl had bought a Cardboard freeride, great Aus made board, but gave up after a year (common story). Board retails around 800-900, I paid 350 on ebay.
So yes, it is possible to pay around a grand, but unlikely.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
21 Sep 2011 7:40pm
Ask someone who has been kiteing for awhile before buying off ebay.
Lots of really crappy gear on there and not many worth buying.
Most of the gear is on ebay ,praying on newbies, cause they cant sell it in the real world.
The odd bargan pops up if you know what your looking at.
faimanu
faimanu
QLD
10 posts
QLD, 10 posts
23 Sep 2011 10:11am
Silence said...

BurkeyBoy said...

Silence said...

Hi everyone!
I always dreamt about kitesurfing, and finally I've decided to start doing something about it!
So, here's a LOT of questions, since I am pretty much clueless..

1 - I'm in Sydney (near Bankstown actually), what kind of wetsuit should I buy with this area's weather? I've found online that there are longjohns, shortjohns, steamers, springsuits... what are the plus/down sides of having one of those?
And do I need boots/gloves?

2 - I only played with kites when I was a kid (I had one of those directional kites with the two rings to turn around).. should I buy a trainer kite, or should I just go for the lessons?

IF you don't mind spending the money, trainer kites are very helpful, particularly when starting out. If you get a few lessons, the instructor may have a loner you can use anyway.

3 - I'm 63 kg and 175 cm.. any idea about what kind of boards / kites should I need (I'll wait 'til I finished my lessons to buy, but it's better to hear other opinions)

For general east coast winds, at 63kg you'll probably get away with a 10m and board of 130-134. That said, easier to learn on a bigger board. Don't spend too much early on as you'll probably want to upgrade when you are more experienced.

4 -Is Kitepower a good kite school?

thanks to the brave that would read them all and answer me

If you're anything like me, you won't be praying for help swimming, just for better wind.






ehi, thanks for the aswers! yeah, probably as soon as I get onto the board I'll forget every kind of fear and just wish to go faster
by the way I bought a trainer kite, and yesterday I made my first flight.. not so hard as I tought, even tough the wind wasn't steady at all (i was in a park in the town, not at a shore, so maybe that's the reason) .. but still managed to learn how to guide it with one hand, and some basic stuff...
lookin forward for the actual lessons, but one of the girls at kitepower told me that they start in 2-3 weeks from now.. guess I'll do a lot of practice with the trainer, 'til then


ah! I was tryin' to figure out a budget for the equipment (to buy after I took the lessons).. is it possible to spend no more than 1000 $ for kite(with bars and lines)+board+harness? used stuff, obviously...



I think the best way is to get a deal with one of the kiteschool that includes lessons. You may pay a bit extra, but you get a trainer who loves you because you made them some extra money. They'll probably also let you use stuff for free and choose the right equipment for you.
Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
23 Sep 2011 7:41pm
thanks everyone for the answers!!! One more question:
today I went to a park (amour park, in revesby) with the trainer kite. wind was extremely strong, and kinda gusty, so I found the kite much harder to keep stable and in position... it was because of the gusty wind, or with strong wind it's always like that? (meaning that I REALLY need to go to a beach, with stronger wind, for more training, instead of a suburb)
I mean I managed to keep it wherever I wanted on the edge of the window, but just for 3-4 seconds, then it would lose power, get down a couple meters and then regain power! Am I such a newbie at flyin or it has to be blamed to today's wind?
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
23 Sep 2011 8:17pm
Silence,

Todays southerly was very gusty to learn with a trainer. Tuesday is looking like a better day, with the north east seabreeze.

Make sure if you are taking a kite to a local park, you are well away from power lines. to be on the safe side, No power lines should be in eyesight on the downwind side.
When learning keep to winds under 20 knots, to assist with kite control. I would even recommend under 15 knots to start with and build to 20 knots when you are a little more comfortable.

KR
Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
23 Sep 2011 9:01pm
kyteryder said...

Silence,

Todays southerly was very gusty to learn with a trainer. Tuesday is looking like a better day, with the north east seabreeze.

Make sure if you are taking a kite to a local park, you are well away from power lines. to be on the safe side, No power lines should be in eyesight on the downwind side.
When learning keep to winds under 20 knots, to assist with kite control. I would even recommend under 15 knots to start with and build to 20 knots when you are a little more comfortable.

KR


aaaah, so it wasn't enitrely my fault! makes me feel better!
yeah, I checked when I chose the place.. my launch zone is really wide and far from power lines and trees (to get to the first tree the kite should drag me for 300 metres I think.. and that wouldn't have happened even with today's gusts...)
Problem is that since sunday I only found 2 days with real wind (one being today and the other I couldn't use since I was busy).. and it's really annoying to fly with just a couple of knotes...keeps losin' power and wrap on itself!!
NSW, 4382 posts
2 Oct 2011 9:08pm
Watch this video, it should answer most of your questions.


Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
3 Oct 2011 12:24am
Tried my trainer today after watching some videos. The second it launched it pulled so hard I heard something rip in my shoulder and it dragged my down the beach for 5 metres. Now my shoulder will be stuffed for a week or 2.
NSW, 4382 posts
3 Oct 2011 12:47am
Little Jon said...

Tried my trainer today after watching some videos. The second it launched it pulled so hard I heard something rip in my shoulder and it dragged my down the beach for 5 to 10 metres. Now my shoulder will be stuffed for a year or 2. Anyone want to buy a 1.5m trainer?


Thats bad news, give the shoulder a rest for a few days and try again in 10 knots, not 30 like it was today, treat it as a learning experience but don't give up on kiting, you just made an error of judgement.
Silence
Silence
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
6 Oct 2011 3:22pm
Kitepower Australia said...

Watch this video, it should answer most of your questions.





yeah, I've watched that after buying the trainer (one of your employee gave the link).. now I'm able to do the 8s vertically, orizontally, get on my feet from sitting with the power strokes, and keeping the kite pretty stable where I want it (as long as the wind isn't too gusty).. the problem is that I don't know if it's just my opinion or not, obviously ..

I was just about to call Kitepower to know if the lessons are gonna start soon... I left my contact details at the shop 2 or 3 weeks ago (Michele), but I haven't heard any news yet.. how long do you guy think it's gonna be 'til the weather's good enough to start?
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
8 Oct 2011 7:25pm
Welcome to a weather-dependent sport. The joy of it is you get to work with the forces of nature. The downside is you have to wait for those forces to show up.

Sydney's summers can range from great seabreezes several days each week to utter crap with barely a few kiteable days each fortnight. Impossible to predict accurately but with a mild la nina forecast it may be a while ...
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