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dave......
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8 Sep 2010 12:22pm


This arrogant knob was probably an ex-windsurfer, notice he pumps the bar. Kite leash, upwind of a lot of kites when he cant control his own.....the list goes on.
I love the bit where he gets told by a 7 year old girl.
lotofwind
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8 Sep 2010 6:51pm
^^^^^^Lesson 1.......How to become the most hated person on the beach.
dave......
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8 Sep 2010 5:42pm
pretty funny stuff when its at someone elses beach.
toppleover
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8 Sep 2010 9:15pm
If i was Robbie, i'd give him a free lesson...whether he likes it or not.
ApatheticEnd
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8 Sep 2010 8:33pm
Wow. I've seen some cocks down the beach before but that was something else. The 8 yr. old girl telling him he was a ****ing idiot was the best bit.
waxman
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9 Sep 2010 3:31pm
What a tool, seen a couple like that. They dont seem to last long. lol
getfunky
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9 Sep 2010 2:08pm
What an idiot.[}:)]

Notice him getting stroppy with everyone around him, including his noice girlie - like it was their fault he was born without a brain. Must be rich - too many dollars and not enough sense!

Would liked to have seen the young girl or lady at the end ro-shambo him a bewdy.

Notice he was overpowered most of the time, letting go of the bar and looking away from the kite too. He also believes too many kite blurbs and thinks it's ok to just throw away the bar to rely on the '100% depower' instead of having the correct sized kite in the first place and trimming it correctly.

There is a time and place to throw away the bar of course but usually you are better to keep your hand on the bar (but depowered) to have some hope of keeping it out of the power zone.

Aside from pizzing on someone else's kite I think he pretty much made every mistake in the book.


NOTE TO NOOBS:

If you must use a board leash - NEVER EVER attach it until you are well into the water and detach it before you get back to terra firma. This vid shows why.
remo81
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10 Sep 2010 9:18am
You guys are very supportive of a bloke just trying to have a go.

He must have looked pretty advanced to the people on the water, other wise they would have avoided him like the plague.

Good on him for having a go.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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10 Sep 2010 10:01am
Board leash while standing around on the beach, that's a new one...

To be fair though, when he has the kite collision in the water at 2:35 it is clearly the bloke behind him at fault (upwind).

dave...... said...

pretty funny stuff when its at someone elses beach.


Kind of but not really...

getfunky
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10 Sep 2010 11:18am
Was thinking that also Galah, but then i couldn't see what uber tool was doing with his kite (it was probably flailing around - having released his bar). He probably caused the bloke upwind to send his kite high, then he lost ground and ended up nearly tangling, before copping a mouthful, and then some, from uber tool.

Are you joking remo?

Having a go at everyone around him for his continually dangerous actions is not the sort of having a go anybody likes.

Evryone fks up some time, it just depends if you keep ****** up at other's peril tho.
Trant
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10 Sep 2010 2:39pm
GalahOnTheBay said...
To be fair though, when he has the kite collision in the water at 2:35 it is clearly the bloke behind him at fault (upwind).


I think that's actually the small girl who "talks" to him afterwards. (And that's probably her mum at the end!)

I don't like commenting on these kind of videos, it can appear clear cut but sometimes there's another side to the story, even if this bloke does seem to act like a d%%k.
dave......
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12 Sep 2010 11:32am
getfunky said...

Are you joking remo?

Having a go at everyone around him for his continually dangerous actions is not the sort of having a go anybody likes.

Evryone fks up some time, it just depends if you keep ****** up at other's peril tho.


Spot on funky. He clearly cannot control his kite and is not at an independent level. He chose to go to one of the busiest beaches in the world. He decided to launch upwind of many kites on the beach. He's messing around with his kite between 9-2 on the land for ages......the list goes on.All of these things are explained to you if you get quality lessons.
xgamer
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13 Sep 2010 5:22pm
Are you ppl for real ?
I very much doubt any of you were actually there and know the "facts" about what actually occured, and yet a lot of you are quite happy to carry on like lynch mob members and brand this guy on what can only be described as a cut / paste / insert video.
Who made you judge and jury ?
I would have thought that most adults with common sense would relise that video's like this that are posted are usually only to score hits, and that the worse it looks - the more hits it'll recieve.
/rantoff
Bonana512
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13 Sep 2010 9:07pm
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Roflcopter....... massively....... nah just kidding but that is pretty funny it's pretty said that a man of that age is being told off by a pretty little girl.
willtups
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14 Sep 2010 10:11am
What a classic. I love it when everyone / everything else is at fault but the knob holding the bar. There are plenty of these blokes around, he's got all the gear but no idea.
shannon8888
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14 Sep 2010 11:38am
xgamer said...

Are you ppl for real ?
I very much doubt any of you were actually there and know the "facts" about what actually occured, and yet a lot of you are quite happy to carry on like lynch mob members and brand this guy on what can only be described as a cut / paste / insert video.
Who made you judge and jury ?
I would have thought that most adults with common sense would relise that video's like this that are posted are usually only to score hits, and that the worse it looks - the more hits it'll recieve.
/rantoff


are you talking about the same vid don't think it would matter how cut / paste / insert was done, a tools a tool what ever the packageing . thats not you is it
westozwind
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14 Sep 2010 10:37am
dave......
good to see you are keeping the hate alive
"This arrogant knob was probably an ex-windsurfer"

We need more people like you to help promote more animosity on the water.

The guy in the video is a d ! ck, but how did you guess he was an ex windsurfer?
Peace out.
theDoctor
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14 Sep 2010 2:26pm
xgamer said...

Are you ppl for real ?
I very much doubt any of you were actually there and know the "facts" about what actually occured, and yet a lot of you are quite happy to carry on like lynch mob members and brand this guy on what can only be described as a cut / paste / insert video.
Who made you judge and jury ?
I would have thought that most adults with common sense would relise that video's like this that are posted are usually only to score hits, and that the worse it looks - the more hits it'll recieve.
/rantoff



going by your reply, I reckon this video is of you...

ouch, so totally busted....

so how does it feel to be the biggest as shole on kitebeach in 2010...?

do you get recognised everywhere you go now with all the 'hits' this video has had...?

how did it feel to be told off by an eight year old girl...?

I don't think it matters how much cut, paste and edit a video recieves.... you turn up to kite in a helmet with a pfd on, a kiteleash (attached before you've even launched) and expect the person launching you to move themselves into position whilst handling your kite while, you just stand there and gesticulate... its pretty obvious you would have to be the biggest as shole on any kitebeach you visited..

castanza
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15 Sep 2010 1:19pm
Yeah he looks like someone that would call himself xgamer for sure! lol
JTheron
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15 Sep 2010 1:36pm
I agree with the fact that this guy needs lessons, but to be honest, even after 5 lessons (at their current standard and level of knowledge transfer), I do not expect much more.

This is exactly why I have not gone out with my gear. I have had my 5 lessons, and yes I got the basics from there, but when I read about something as simple as trimming (which is a common thing), I must honestly say, I do not know anything more after my lesson. Yes I was told what it is, but never showed how to do it myself.

I took the advise from some of the guys on this blog and bought a trainer kite and must say that has helped me a lot, BUT I am honestly too afraid to go out and look like this, and become another 'idiot on the screen'.

I am still as much as a noob as they come and define the poo stance in all its glory, but I have been in training and development for a long time and I can honestly say that the quality of training from schools (please note this was my experience, so I stand to be corrected) can definitely improve. It seems like it is becoming a quick-in quick-out industry where revenue is the drive (which is fair, but not at the sacrifice of quality).

I would love, and is even willing to assist if I can, to develop a training manual (the same as scuba divers have) which is a standard and regulated by organisations such as the KBV to ensure that all kiters are on the same level when they get their little card (certificate of attendance).

I can already hear a lot of people going ape over this, but if you want to prevent more accidents, you need to start at education.

Just a short while ago I met a guy on a beach in Melbourne who wanted to test his new kite (14m Crossbow) in a wind which I was wondering whether I should put my 2.5m training kite up. Luckily he asked us first whether we can help and we told him to put it away ASAP! Yes, you probably will say 'Idiot!!" but the fact is he did not know of anything better.

I am not saying I have the solution, because this debate can go on forever, but I vote for better training for my buck.

Before you think of taking my head off, please think of what is best for the sport and its continuity. At the end, everyone should be able to enjoy the sport and be safe, for their own and other people's sake.
Trant
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15 Sep 2010 3:33pm
Mate, the biggest mistake this bloke made was thinking that he was competent and being unwilling to listen to others on the beach. We're not laughing at his skill level (well, maybe a bit), but mostly at his attitude.

Everyone makes mistakes, we all accept that, but we want to see people minimise them. Education is a good start, but talking to other kiters on the beach and listening to them is where it matters. If you're a beginner and ask someone what kite to put up, where to launch and for help in general, then most people will be happy to talk to you and help you out.
If you walk up, set up your kite without acknowledging anyone and then crash your kite into someone because you didn't know what you were doing, then you're asking for it. This bloke appears to have been of the latter types. In fact, he appears to have crashed his kite on the beach several times, blaming other people, shouting at his girlfriend, then lost his temper with a small girl when he collided with her.

JTheron said...
Just a short while ago I met a guy on a beach in Melbourne who wanted to test his new kite (14m Crossbow) in a wind which I was wondering whether I should put my 2.5m training kite up. Luckily he asked us first whether we can help and we told him to put it away ASAP! Yes, you probably will say 'Idiot!!" but the fact is he did not know of anything better.


Good on him for asking. If he'd not asked, he'd be in a bad way, he may feel embarrassed, but I think most people would be happier that he asked.
I knew a kiter in Auckland who asked the local shop if it was too windy to go out. They said yes, it's too windy. He ignored them, tried to self launch and landed on his own car.
Comedy value aside, the guy was a moron because he ignored the advice.

JTheron said...
I would love, and is even willing to assist if I can, to develop a training manual (the same as scuba divers have) which is a standard and regulated by organisations such as the KBV to ensure that all kiters are on the same level when they get their little card (certificate of attendance).


Check out the IKO www.ikointl.com/ they have manuals. For better or worse, international kitesurfing training organisations already exist.
There's also several beginner dvd's that are useful, the Progression series gets a lot of good reviews.

I'll finish my little speech by pointing out that you don't need to be a beginner to be a kook, I've seen plenty of overconfident intermediates acting like morons.
Vatos Locos
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16 Sep 2010 9:47am
watch out folks he'l be world #1 some day then put us all to shame
dave......
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16 Sep 2010 12:40pm
westozwind said...

dave......
good to see you are keeping the hate alive
"This arrogant knob was probably an ex-windsurfer"
notice he pumps the bar
We need more people like you to help promote more animosity on the water.

The guy in the video is a d ! ck, but how did you guess he was an ex windsurfer?
Peace out.



Sorry to upset you. It was just an observation. I have nothing against windsurfers, I used to be one. The bit that you missed out is bold and in italics. After doing a lot of teaching you notice similar habits from people who have done other sports. Many ex-windsurfers are used to pumping their sail to get going and transfer that to pumping the bar. All this does is radically change the position of the wind window and can make a kite fall out of the sky.
He's still an inconsiderate knob, no matter what other watersports he has done in the past.Peace out.
doonut
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2 Oct 2010 4:07pm
i love this video its great
SlicerDicer
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5 Oct 2010 3:11am
theDoctor said...


I don't think it matters how much cut, paste and edit a video recieves.... you turn up to kite in a helmet with a pfd on, a kiteleash (attached before you've even launched) and expect the person launching you to move themselves into position whilst handling your kite while, you just stand there and gesticulate... its pretty obvious you would have to be the biggest as shole on any kitebeach you visited..


Hey now I wear a helmet :) I wear it so I can have my go pro on top as well as so I dont lose my sunglasses

As for the boardleash? who the hell uses that crap good way to karate chop your head.. wax on wax off.
egga
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5 Oct 2010 6:58pm
Great video to watch what not to do........ but..... we were all beginners once. What I find strange is that no one comes down and has a chat too him after his first failed launch. Blind Freddy could see that he wasn't up to it. I think it is up to more experienced people to watch out for guys like this and offer help or tell him/her not to launch again and endanger himself and others. Maybe I have got it wrong but if guys like this end up stuffing up on your beach, we could all get banned from the beach!!!
theDoctor
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5 Oct 2010 11:54pm
yes we were all beginners once... but as was explained to me by a very wise kiter one time...

when you learnt to drive, did your dad take you out for your first lesson during peak hour on the freeway...?

or did he take you to a quiet deserted backstreet and let you get a feel for it....?

kiting should be no different

rock up to a spot when its crowded and blowin twenty knots and then proceed to gumby through the local crew crashing your kite out of control all the time and flailing unable to relaunch your kite or competently body drag your sorry self back to the beach, you deserve to be treated with the same disrespect and contempt you show for the crew who have to put up with you.

get there early before everyone else, be the eager beaver do all your stuff before peak hour, or go looking for the quiet backstreet or deserted carpark, there's plenty of coastline about.

this one dude rocked up to our local once, pulled his kite out the bag spread it out on the sand....

then got into his wettie...

then put his pfd on...

then put his harness on...

then when he was all suited up he pumped up his kite, then layed out his lines...

forty mins later he got his missus to launch him, making her struggle with the kite to get it into position to launch while he stood there gesticulating madly about how she was in the wrong postion...

then when he had the kite in the air, he got his missus to carry his twintip board to him and attach his 1970 style ocean and earth surfboard legrope to his ankle...

at this point i had to come in and ask him if he knew what he was doin...

he said he did and could indeed body drag, so i suggested he lose the legrope, then i went back out..

he supermanned all his three attempts to take off (if he'd kept the leggie on he'd have copped a board to the back of the head after the first one), couldn't body drag or relaunch his kite to save himself, became a drifting obstacle through 300mtrs of beach and half a dozen kiters before he could make it back to shore, where he proceeded to walk back up wind and do it all again.

we all gotta learn, but there are smart ways of going about it

SlicerDicer
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13 Oct 2010 6:05am
theDoctor said...
he supermanned all his three attempts to take off (if he'd kept the leggie on he'd have copped a board to the back of the head after the first one)


I only Superman once :)

People I am convinced don't take lessons. I have taken over 30 hours of lessons now..

LOL

I still cant transition worth a damn :/ except for going toeside.. I am able to body drag relaunch etc etc. Mine is the yellow Crossbow of course.



I am firm believer in lessons and I will always take more to learn things faster when I need to learn something..

Next on the menu? Learning how to ride my Angulo board that I am getting (directional) and following that I will learn how transition on my twintip then start jumping.



GalahOnTheBay
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13 Oct 2010 1:19pm
SlicerDicer said...




Bahahahaha! Did you get a notification of your achievement via a sign on the back of a dolphin? Kids these days...
SlicerDicer
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13 Oct 2010 12:03pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

SlicerDicer said...




Bahahahaha! Did you get a notification of your achievement via a sign on the back of a dolphin? Kids these days...


Dharma Initiative Dolphin due to being in Maui ;-)
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