Tips for kiting in ocean

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Parafin
Parafin
QLD
60 posts
QLD, 60 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:39pm
Hi. Been doing plenty of flat water and river mouths
Keen to get in the ocean -
Any tips or advice

I know I will get some 'grow a set' comments - thanks in advance for those. ;-)

arloj
arloj
WA
237 posts
WA, 237 posts
20 Nov 2012 12:59pm
I cant go on much having only started 2 weeks ago but iv been in swell and river. not much difference except the chop an obvious impending shore breack crashing on to your head while you waterstart, oh an potential for reefs to sneak up on you when something goes wrong.
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:19pm
You have to turn around a bit earlier, before reaching the other side compared to rivers etc. (sorry, couldnt resist it)

Dealing with shorebreaks and swell is a really big difference. Try and avoid shorebreaks if possible at the start. And when you are coming in on a wave, or ground swell, dont forget to keep good awareness of where the kite is.

My first couple of times in the waves resulted in wild over-excitement screaming down a wave. Closely followed by extreme fear as I dropped my kite in the wave and was completely cleaned up.

Have fun!
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
20 Nov 2012 3:20pm
Despite having lessons on the ocean, the first time I hit "swell" really messed with me - I couldn't work out how to go over swells without ploughing straight into the side of waves....

When you're heading out through white water, make sure you put your weight on your back foot & using your front foot, lift the front of the board up & over white water and or waves as they are breaking.

Once you've got your jumping techniques down pat, the other option to clear white water is to pop a jump over white water or waves (much more fun)....

pi22api22a
pi22api22a
WA
150 posts
WA, 150 posts
20 Nov 2012 3:46pm
Try to wash some speed off if your heading out through waves, just enough so you dont jump too high. Nearly snapped my ankle doing that when learning in ocean, around 4ft of swell. Its ok if you use the kite to give you lift at same time, just make sure the kite cushions your landing..

And yes, grow a pair :)
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
WA, 899 posts
20 Nov 2012 7:45pm
Parafin said...

Hi. Been doing plenty of flat water and river mouths
Keen to get in the ocean -
Any tips or advice

I know I will get some 'grow a set' comments - thanks in advance for those. ;-)




its ankle slapping, water into your eye fun
AquaPlow
AquaPlow
QLD
1066 posts
QLD, 1066 posts
20 Nov 2012 9:59pm
Para U should rake in alot of comment on this one!!!
The rule - as long as you have power from the kite you have control. Cross on-shore - straight onshore and it can be a bugger to get off the beach.
1) The Hot zone is the wave zone
Choose a zone you are confident with i.e.no big dumping sets coming in - U are capable of pulling a U-ee - zig - zag along in the white water till you see your slot. Go out well beyond the break and have a cruise - try using the green water waves as ramps or if running with them practise your zig-zags.
2) Going across the hot zone on the way out and the way in
As mentioned in previous post going out into white water there is nearly always a lip - You need to help you board ride over it - weight on the back - remember that power as you often turn to go straight at the wave and edge hard up wind killing your power -
When you are coming in for the first few times ride in along the back of a wave and get used to positioning yourself. Do not overtake a breaking wave unless small.
3) Choosing your moment on when to start playing in / on the waves. If U R on a TT then make sure your bottom turn back towards the wave does not bury the nose - so run long then turn back.
4) At least enough wind to get a quick re-launch and hopefully not having to sine your kite too much. Until you get used to it, going out, U can find you loose an edge going over a wave with any speed, barrel towards the kite take a flier on the next lip and crash - keep your knees bent going into the wave - imagine trying to keep your head at a constant height - you absorb the lift from the wave by bending your knees - it is easier to keep your edge. = second nature before long.
Through all of this keep a firm image of where you kite is - as long as you have power you are ok - the trouble happens when you are in breaking waves with the kite down - if this happens - ditch the kite quick if you have no line tension.

Downwinders are great fun - my first few I stressed up going through the wave zone had a ball out to sea then stressed up coming back in thru' the waves.

On an empty beach the white wash zone can be plenty of fun for a down winder too - but any flags - you need to go out (or walk past).

Using a directional - requires a bit more effort but way to go in the longer term I reckon. Suggest watching your local crew.

Bugger growing a set - opening another chapter IMO

Cheers
AP
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
20 Nov 2012 8:43pm
chop hop, load up your edge , then a little stamp on the rear foot hop over the wave or wash, keeps more momentum, if your not up to it a little upwind turn and backfoot pressure at the same time approx 1 mtr before you hit the wave, a board with more concave helps as this stops the nose from burying and sending you over, look and read the swell laying off your edge and going over the wave further downwind before it breaks is another, practice makes perfect
lovelife
lovelife
SA
160 posts
SA, 160 posts
21 Nov 2012 1:28am
Hey Parafin

I am a newbie, and it took me a little while before I got how it worked, so not sure how helpful it is to you, but here is my 2c worth

As others also explained, putting more weight on your back foot results in lifting up the nose of the board. When the nose is out the water and you approach the wave (preferably not direct, e.g. on a 90 degree angle, but rather at a 45 degree angle) you won't be slammed by the force of the water dropping on your board as you feel like you 'slice through' the water, hopping over the wave instead. When 'hopping' over the waves it is also good idea to bend your knees a little to to absorb the shocks of differences in water level, as going over a lip may feel like u jump a little.

you will find it much easier to master the waves in a side shore or cross on shore wind, rather than an onshore wind, as the tide will most likely drag you down to shore and having a onshore wind will only make that worse.

Not sure of your experience level, but if your kite lands on the water, it is easier to water relaunch with your feet on the board, as it will create more resistance, leading to easier relaunch, which is definitely more important in the waves as compared to flat water.

Also, maybe when u try it out for the first time, make sure someone else is out there in case you get tired, as kiting in the waves is more tiring (in my opinion) than on flat water, or if your kite happens to get tangled in the drink it is always nice when there is someone to help ya out

However, if anyone disagrees with this let me know, as i am still trying to master this as well

most of all, HAVE FUN
Happy days elise
gcdave
gcdave
534 posts
534 posts
21 Nov 2012 4:03am
When your being smashed by waves,make sure you point the kite towards the ocean to keep tension on the lines.
Parafin
Parafin
QLD
60 posts
QLD, 60 posts
21 Nov 2012 4:07pm
Thanks for all the advice guys. Just need some wind now.
blueseas
blueseas
QLD
55 posts
QLD, 55 posts
21 Nov 2012 4:11pm
My hot tip is beware the onshore winds!! You really have to time where you are when the waves are breaking, I got absolutely smashed by a wave which was breaking just as I turned around, not enough time to slide downwind or scoot over it, launched me head first through my slack kite lines and had to pull safety and swim in, very unpleasant, very painful. I'm not an experienced wave rider, but that is an experience I have learned from! Also need more wind in waves than flat water, and flatten board off nose slightly up over breaking waves, if that hasn't already been said, sorry I forget what I read this morning! Also, try not to get scared of your kite's shadow when your out in the deep, it's just your kite...
danw
danw
WA
163 posts
WA, 163 posts
21 Nov 2012 6:20pm
I second the importance of board position. Have your nose out above a 45 degree angle and slide past the wave.

I also know people that body drag past the break and buckle in there.

Take your time, you'll get it.
Gilly3
Gilly3
QLD
800 posts
QLD, 800 posts
21 Nov 2012 9:50pm
Another important aspect to all this is, everytime I go kiting I am extremely focused on NOT letting my kite hit the water.

You really want to avoid dropping it in the "Hot Zone". As Elise said, it is more tiring in the surf and the last thing you want is the shorebreak to be pulling you along while your trying to fight against the waves and you are trying to re-launch your kite at the same time.......exhausting!

Practice visualising in your head where your kite is in the sky at all times.

Even when you stack it and you can't see your kite , make a concerted effort to reach the bar and get the kite back to the zenith....

Cheers
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
22 Nov 2012 7:44am
One more tip I learnt the hard way - if there's a decent break and you drop your kite in the breaking zone and can't immediately relaunch it (before the next wave) then punch out.

If your kite is nose down and your lines are tight, you kite is making a U and the full force of the wave has nowhere to go but straight through it.

Rather a swim in than a kite in 2 pieces.
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