Tips on how to tack upwind

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MDickerson
MDickerson
NSW
64 posts
NSW, 64 posts
13 Mar 2009 10:26am
Hi Guys,

Please could you let me know your tips and tricks (and comon nebie mistakes) with regards to keepign up wind.

I am able to get up on the board, but need to figure out how to cut in more and keep up wind without grinding to a halt, as invariably I end up having to do the walk of shame back up the beach.

Any sugestions / common mistakes would be great.

Thanks - Matthew.

bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
ACT, 1258 posts
13 Mar 2009 11:38am
open your body up, point your leading shoulder upwind together with edgeing hard with more pressure on your back foot, not too hard to where you slow down though.
Also sheet your kite out a little to let it fly as far forward as it wants too. should do the trick.
Hayman
Hayman
QLD
99 posts
QLD, 99 posts
13 Mar 2009 12:08pm
Tip #1: Let the bar go with your front hand; this will help rotate your body so its pointing more upwind.

Tip #2: Keep ya bum tucked up. This will keep your body straight and create a better edge with your board in the water.

Tip #3: Trim your kite bar. with the bar fully pulled in, the kite should only just begin to flare or start backstalling.
Having the kite sheeted out when riding will bring it closer to the edge of the window, and thus allow you to ride upwind with ease.

Tip #3.5: If the winds marginal and you need to sine the kite; pull the bar in a bit on the downstroke of the kite, and let the bar out a bit on the upstroke.

Tip #4: Lay off the Big Macs and fries. Having less weight for your kite to try and pull will allow you to sheet the kite out a bit more and rocket you upwind.

Tip #5: Look at your board. If it has a large rocker this will not help in your quest to go upwind.
With the board laying on a flat surface, how much does the board tips curve upward. Anything under 5cm from the table to the tip of the nose/tail is fine for a board over roughly 135cm long.

Hope this helps
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
14 Mar 2009 11:08am
The most common mistake I think(I did this anyway)is trying to head too hard upwind.
You can only head upwind at an angle to the wind(dose that make sence??)
If you edge too hard upwind,you will lose power and sink.

Its a balance of speed and power that can be frustrating to find when learning,but once you nail it once ,it then seems to click in your brain and you hardly even have to think about it after that.

Practice,practice,practice

Once you get it,it all happends really fast
No more walking,more time kiteing

I remember the first time I started going upwind,had a 2hour session without walking once......I was sooooo stoked that day.Aaahhhhhh,the memories

I use to park my 4x4 on the waters edge,start heading out straight in front of it and when I would be heading back in to the beach,Id aim at it,trying not to lose any ground.
Then Id aim a few meters upwind of my ute.Having that referance point to aim at really help
good luck

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
14 Mar 2009 3:24pm
lotofwind said...

I remember the first time I started going upwind,had a 2hour session without walking once......I was sooooo stoked that day.Aaahhhhhh,the memories



Amen to that!
12th Dec 2004 @ 4:52pm (before DLS)
- I party it every year

Do your time MDickerson - makes the achievement that much schweeter (and it'll be a lot less time than it was way back then anyhow ) )
Hint - the reference point to aim for is a good clue.
pharro
pharro
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
14 Mar 2009 3:40pm
I find it easier to ride up wind if you ride with your kite low.
The lower your kite the harder you can edge against it.
Just make you sure you have enough power moving you before you drop it and bury your edge.
And of course be aware of other kiters and poleys when riding with your kite low.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
14 Mar 2009 11:03pm
If you are aiming for upwind, cut down on your speed and point point point.
reebar
reebar
WA
15 posts
WA, 15 posts
19 Mar 2009 12:39am
I cracked it last week after struggling like yourself for weeks. I often did the walk of shame but then one day it all came together. I think one big thing for me (75kg) was getting a bigger kite, a 12m switchblade as opposed to a 10m which requires more pumping.

I also tried the tipp from this thread that someone said to me of letting the bar out a bit on the upstroke of the kite and pulling in on the downward stroke. As soon as you feel the power dying out when you are edging hard, fly it upward , this will generate more pull and also help pull you up so you dont sink, ready to do a fast down stroke to get more speed.

I also read something interesting here that nobody has mentioned to me before , that of apparent wind. You get speed up before you try to cut the board edge in, as this gives a great apparent wind speed to the kite and generates even more power. I thought the speed you got on your board was just momentum, not actaully a prerequisite for generating power.

..but yes, go get a massive kite. much more forgiving. Now when I stall it and power goes, I just give it a twitch or sheet in in gusts and it powers right up again. Awesome.
phrase
phrase
WA
228 posts
WA, 228 posts
19 Mar 2009 3:51am
The biggest issue with going up wind for beginners is that they tend to look at the kite too much. If you try to look in the direction you want to go then the rest of your body tends to follow. It`s hard to remember everything while you out there, but I think the most important things are: Don`t look at the kite so much, look where you want to go. Turn your shoulder and hip over more in the direction your looking.(That`s why letting go of your front hand helps) And tuck the knee of your back leg (the bent one) in a bit, this`ll make the board follow the rest of your body.
Good luck. It will happen very soon.
MDickerson
MDickerson
NSW
64 posts
NSW, 64 posts
25 Mar 2009 10:57am
Guys thanks for all your comments and advice,

You comments along with the help of the Sydney kiting crowed have helped a lot. for the most part I can hold my ground, but one mistake - messing about with the kite and being blown down wind is hard to recover from. But on the lat session 1.5hrs in the water tacking back and forth - and only one comparatively short walk of shame back up the beach.

Couple of question:

Most of the posts and vids I have seen say the front leg should be straight. Is this always the case? Some times is seems to me that I am better balanced and cutting up wind more with my front leg bent and weight more over the front of the board. (my board is a 143, I weigh 88Kgs and I was well powered up if not overpowered). Comment on what to do with your legs and hips in different wind conditions and board size would be great.

Does your board size affect your ability to cut up wind?

Some times it feels as though I am fighting the kite - particularly in strong winds: cutting the kite towards the water and at the same time the pull hits, digging the board hard in to try and get it to cut further up wind. Is this the correct thing to do?

Typically the way I measure how well I am heading up wind is to look at my angle of attach on the wind swell/waves as effectively these are perpendicular to angle of the wind (on the flat water I am learning on). is 10-20 degrees up on this wind swell line good? When cutting up wind optimally how many degrees up from this wind swell line should be achieved?

Thanks for your help - Matthew.
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
25 Mar 2009 11:07am
gear makes a huge differance in learners riding upwind even though a bigger board is easy to get up on and you can ride in lighter conditions depending on the specs of the board they can be a lot harder to edge efectively my first board years ago was a 150 rrd board and i could only just keep my ground and allways felt overpowered. on advice from a kite store i switched to a 130 555 board from nobile and not only did i have a wider wind range it went upwind like it was on rails with hardly any technique. my ridding was completely changed from that moment and didnt have to worry about the board any more.

The other reason you could be going downwind is you may not have the kite trimed correctly for the type of kite it is eg the ss rev or cab switchblade need to be sheeted in to get going and gaining speed but to really drive upwind need to be sheeted out a bit to allow the kite to fly a little further forward in the window.

With edging your board it is ok to have your front leg a little bent just remember that your back leg needs to be bent more. this helps soak up the chop and to apply more presure to the front foot of the board. you do need to have pressure on both front and rear foot to get a propper edge its just a matter of ridding and try changing the presure front to rear to see what works. more on the front when it s lighter and more on the back when its heavy.

good luck
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
381 posts
WA, 381 posts
25 Mar 2009 10:15am



Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
WA, 563 posts
26 Mar 2009 12:03am
In response:

I realised the quicker you can get your board back on your feet and get going the less ground you lose. Don't be afraid to point downwind at the start / if losing speed to start / keep your board planing as it will ride upwind better rather than just drag sideways. This is normally coordinated with the power your kite is generating.

If you bend your front leg a lot, you normally drag sideways rather than direct the board to that point upwind you're heading for. As does sticking your bum out (poo stance) - may feel more stable tho!

Having your shoulders turned towards the upwind direction you're headed helps (eg snowboarding / turning when surfing). Keeping your shoulders, hips and ankles in a straight line also helps - you're directing the (cross-downwind) pull on your harness into upwind motion.

Lean back to edge / hang off your harness more. More depower can help as it brings the bar and your arms closer to your body.

Angle of attack? That changes constantly in waves. Kite lower as you crest to keep your edge in and stop you flying off the back (unless you want to!) Also how far back you can lean whilst clearing the water. You'll get better at judging - if I could, anyone can!! .

MDickerson said...

Guys thanks for all your comments and advice,

You comments along with the help of the Sydney kiting crowed have helped a lot. for the most part I can hold my ground, but one mistake - messing about with the kite and being blown down wind is hard to recover from. But on the lat session 1.5hrs in the water tacking back and forth - and only one comparatively short walk of shame back up the beach.

Couple of question:

Most of the posts and vids I have seen say the front leg should be straight. Is this always the case? Some times is seems to me that I am better balanced and cutting up wind more with my front leg bent and weight more over the front of the board. (my board is a 143, I weigh 88Kgs and I was well powered up if not overpowered). Comment on what to do with your legs and hips in different wind conditions and board size would be great.

Does your board size affect your ability to cut up wind?

Some times it feels as though I am fighting the kite - particularly in strong winds: cutting the kite towards the water and at the same time the pull hits, digging the board hard in to try and get it to cut further up wind. Is this the correct thing to do?

Typically the way I measure how well I am heading up wind is to look at my angle of attach on the wind swell/waves as effectively these are perpendicular to angle of the wind (on the flat water I am learning on). is 10-20 degrees up on this wind swell line good? When cutting up wind optimally how many degrees up from this wind swell line should be achieved?

Thanks for your help - Matthew.



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