Transitions and weak goofy upwind riding

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shoobs
shoobs
WA
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WA, 8 posts
24 Nov 2010 6:12pm
So,

My walks of shame are getting shorter and shorter, which is a good thing. Unfortunately, the two things that are holding me back from making up ground are my transitions and my goofy stance (I'm regular footed).

When I attempt to make a transition, I pull my kite up to 12 o'clock and attempt to make a powerstroke down on the side I'm trying to switch to. Unfortunately, most of the time, by the time I've done my powerstroke, me and my board have continued on too far, and the kite is at the edge of the wind window, resulting in a pissweak power stroke. Am I just mistiming my powerstroke? Should I be edging my board hard upwind during the transition?

Also, does anyone have any tips on developing a stronger goofy stance? When I'm riding goofy, everything feels "wrong" and I find it hard to go much more than perpendicular to the wind.

Besides this, assuming I don't stack it too often, I can almost hold my ground. Help me out so I finally conquer my downwind tendencies!
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
24 Nov 2010 10:22pm
For your transition, do you mean you continue in your original direction too long ?

If so you probably just need to slow down before your transition. You should turn your board edge hard and almost slide to a complete stop just as your kite goes past 12 (in the opposite direction) then bring your kite down and through the power and head in the opposite direction.

I too really struggled riding goofy ( after surfing, skating etc riding goofy for prolonged periods felt wrong ) I compensated by riding toeside in the opposite direction for my first 6 months of kiting, this was a blessing ( toeside is covered ) and a curse ( upwind ability on that tack suffered) Thus I was forced to get goofy right, once you focus on it it will only take few sessions to get sorted until you are just as comfortable as your regular stance.... Then when you start doing tricks the goofy struggle begins again
My best tip would be .. Try to put more weight on your back foot and push harder into the edge , turn your head and shoulders more into the direction you want to go. Try to avoid a poo man stance.

After that kite as much as you can and it will click
shoobs
shoobs
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
24 Nov 2010 10:10pm
Yep, that is exactly what I mean. My board and me continue too far in the direction I was going originally, which means that by the time I can execute a powerstroke, the kite is at the edge of the wind window. ie- If I'm switching from goofy to regular, I bring my kite up to 12. By the time I do my powerstroke, the kite is already at 9 because I have "passed it" on the board. Slowing down does seem like it might work, but won't I sink when I slow?

Also, thanks for the tips on riding goofy. I have no problems on a snowboard, but something about the way the kite is pulling makes me feel retarded. The fact that I have to concentrate more means that I can't control the kite as well, either. I guess it'll come with practice.
bene313
bene313
WA
1347 posts
WA, 1347 posts
25 Nov 2010 9:23am
I also struggled goofy. Being natural footed programs us to use our right leg (natural back leg) to drive through the board. Doing it opposite is a shock. Try jumping on a skateboard and riding goofy to practice using the left leg (goofy back leg) as the driver.

I found that concentrating on stance helped a lot. Straight(ish) front leg, bent back leg, back foot pressure, hips forward, lean back into the harness. Also helps keeping the kite low. I often find when I'm not edging well goofy it's because of my stance (often the hips forward part).

koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
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25 Nov 2010 12:54pm
shoobs said...

Yep, that is exactly what I mean. My board and me continue too far in the direction I was going originally, which means that by the time I can execute a powerstroke, the kite is at the edge of the wind window. ie- If I'm switching from goofy to regular, I bring my kite up to 12. By the time I do my powerstroke, the kite is already at 9 because I have "passed it" on the board. Slowing down does seem like it might work, but won't I sink when I slow?

Also, thanks for the tips on riding goofy. I have no problems on a snowboard, but something about the way the kite is pulling makes me feel retarded. The fact that I have to concentrate more means that I can't control the kite as well, either. I guess it'll come with practice.


When you come to do a transition you should be using what ever speed you have and converting it into upwind reach which will slow you down. You shouldn't be trying to transition at full planing speed.
It's a bit of a balancing act but if your riding along regular (left foot forward) with the kite at 10:30, then you need to gradually lift the kite up to 12 whilst pushing harder on the heel of your rear (right) foot and rotating your upper body even further. As you feel yourself slowing down and the kite approaches 12, then you should effectively stop moving whilst being held above the water by the lift of the kite moving over the top of the wind window. As you stop, you need to switch your stance and point your right foot downwind whilst diving the kite from 12 to get a powerstroke to get you going in your new direction.

As you practice, you'll do this faster and more fluidly and will have less of those moments where you sink back into the water because you didn't fly the kite over the top of the window fast enough.

SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
25 Nov 2010 12:06pm
Why not ride toeside no shame in making a Twinny do toeside

Failing that just practice practice practice.

I cant ride for crap regular however regular toeside I tear apart the water... goofy toeside I am ok and goofy I am able to just rip the water apart there too..

I am thinking is more to do with the way your body is more so than the actual stance. Leaning in either direction so to speak and how your brain handles it. Keep at it least thats what I am doing and I keep getting better.

Whats strange? I was strong regular and once I nailed goofy it was just BAM strong like bull but my regular is garbage.

Hope that makes sense.
lotofwind
lotofwind
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6451 posts
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25 Nov 2010 6:48pm
Yeah we all had the same problem,if you come from a surfing background, it just feels unco riding on your bad side.It took me awhile to get it sorted.

The good news is,
after a year or so,you will actually forget which is your good side.
I now find it easier to jump and head upwind on my bad side.
SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
25 Nov 2010 5:19pm
lotofwind said...

Yeah we all had the same problem,if you come from a surfing background, it just feels unco riding on your bad side.It took me awhile to get it sorted.

The good news is,
after a year or so,you will actually forget which is your good side.
I now find it easier to jump and head upwind on my bad side.


Skiier and Carving Board, I never cared for snowboard. Surf was never appealing to me for whatever reason.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
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25 Nov 2010 9:44pm
SlicerDicer said...

just practice practice practice


^^^ The secret...
shoobs
shoobs
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
25 Nov 2010 8:48pm
All good tips guys.

I managed to pull off a few decent transitions in both directions today :) It feels good, and smooth to be able to just continue back the way you came.

I also had a few decent upwind goofy footed runs. It still felt uncomfortable, but it seemed to work.

The wind picked up a bit later in the day, which made it really hard for me to keep an edge, and I was pretty tired, so I called it a day.

Thanks all!
SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
26 Nov 2010 5:37am
GalahOnTheBay said...

SlicerDicer said...

just practice practice practice


^^^ The secret...




harry potter
harry potter
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2777 posts
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26 Nov 2010 5:51pm
SlicerDicer said...

GalahOnTheBay said...

SlicerDicer said...

just practice practice practice


^^^ The secret...







Zelda........ now that takes me back and if my memory serves me well that blue rupee is worth 5 or 10 actually maybe 50.... was a good game for its time though.
SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
30 Nov 2010 4:50am
great game and many of that day were so damn hard it makes games look stupid these days lol.
colinwill78
colinwill78
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1 Dec 2010 9:46pm
Don't turn with the kite 12 or anywhere near that high!
bring it right down to the water, then as you turn the kite back over (and just before it starts to take off,) ....switch.... ride away.
I struggled with transitions because i always thought the kite had to be high, i found it works better low.
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
3 Dec 2010 11:04am
Yes I agree with that. You should not actually do a defined vertical power stroke or have your kite too high.

Keep the kite low and turn it hard back into the power zone in the opposite direction. Use the power it generates while turning to carve upwind and bring your trailing foot forward and away so that as you bleed off the speed it ends up pointing downwind just as the kite kicks through the centre of the PZ. Right about then you should have heaps of grunt, low speed and be perfectly positioned to launch a carve back the other way....

Way more fun is to learn to jump to toeside just before you want to transitition and crank that kite back 180 as hard as you can whilst edging against it. When it it is right in the middle of the power zone and heading the other way you can bend the knees, lean back and carve a huge spray in a tight heelside turn, coming out perfectly positioned and fully powered for your next tack.

Regarding riding in your unnatural stance - it is all about time on water. It will click in pretty quick with practice. Concentrate on your stance and leg position.

WhooshkA
WhooshkA
WA
46 posts
WA, 46 posts
3 Dec 2010 4:34pm
Toeside...transitions...loosing power. Just down-loop all day
dusta
dusta
WA
2940 posts
WA, 2940 posts
3 Dec 2010 4:45pm
obtain a copy of progression dvd series . the 1st is the beginner video and deals with transitions . I found it very very helpful , especially with transitions
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
4 Dec 2010 1:19am
Paradox said...

Yes I agree with that. You should not actually do a defined vertical power stroke or have your kite too high.

Keep the kite low and turn it hard back into the power zone in the opposite direction. Use the power it generates while turning to carve upwind and bring your trailing foot forward and away so that as you bleed off the speed it ends up pointing downwind just as the kite kicks through the centre of the PZ. Right about then you should have heaps of grunt, low speed and be perfectly positioned to launch a carve back the other way....

Way more fun is to learn to jump to toeside just before you want to transitition and crank that kite back 180 as hard as you can whilst edging against it. When it it is right in the middle of the power zone and heading the other way you can bend the knees, lean back and carve a huge spray in a tight heelside turn, coming out perfectly positioned and fully powered for your next tack.

Regarding riding in your unnatural stance - it is all about time on water. It will click in pretty quick with practice. Concentrate on your stance and leg position.




Guys try to remember he is only learning ... As he said he us still doing the walk if shame but getting shorter. Sending the kite back past 12 in the transition is the easiest way for him to learn and begin transitons..... Sending the kite through the power, or downlooping and carving etc... Will only see a beginner yanked off their edge straight downwind into a stack.

Once you get the feel for the transition and are more comfortable start doing it with the kite in the power and do some massive cutbacks
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
QLD, 796 posts
4 Dec 2010 12:56am
It all comes with time on the water and getting the feel for your kite and board, knowing what you can and cant do and just simply riding till you are doing it without really thinking about it but by them you will be thinking about things like landing your first jumps etc. There is always something to learn and as much as tips on here are good they cant beat time out on the water getting the feel for it yourself.
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