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vstanman
vstanman
NSW
7 posts
NSW, 7 posts
14 Jan 2013 7:35pm
I have been lurking in the forum for a long time but too shy to post. I recently completed 3 lessons and have bought my own gear, 11m Crazyfly Sculp 2012 and Xenon LaLuz 132 board. I am a complete newbie but have been practicing with a trainer kite for over a year. After the lessons that I had I can now body drag upwind and downwind, can go up the board but cant still go a long way and pretty much conscious with the safety aspect of the sports. My goal now is to learn how to ride the board by myself and hopefully with the help of others as lessons are quite expensive. Is it possible for me to practice at the beach in the South Sydney area? Where is the best area to practice? Thanks in advance.
Scroty
Scroty
NSW
8 posts
NSW, 8 posts
15 Jan 2013 10:44am
Well, I am about 3 sessions ahead of you. Botany is the obvious learning area, but I'm on the northern beaches so have to settle for less. I have an 11m kite too (70kg) and no kiting friends so have to go out by myself. Here is my experience, anyone else, please let me know if I shouldn't be doing any of these things.

Try to avoid gusty conditions as it hard to co-ordinate the launch when the power varies. I got smashed heaps the other day, especialy on my right. Better to not have enough wind than be overpowered. On an 11m I found that 20kts and more were too much.

It is a bit nerve racking setting up and launching by yourself, but I've found that other kiters are pretty helpful and friendly. Ask for an assisted launch if there are any around. Check your lines are free of twists at least twice, and make sure when you walk around upwind that the lines don't catch on anything on the beach.

If there is enough room, after launch, move the kite around a bit to get a feel for the power.

I've been body dragging away from the shore and when in an area clear of others start trying to get up: in a NE, kite at 1:00, pull bar in and send kite across power zone, angle board downwind and then slowly turn across wind as you get up and planing. This is hard when starting as there are a lot of movements and timing and it is hard to break it down. Slowly you will stop being overwhelmed and start to analyse each step and realise where you went wrong each time. For me it is usually:

- Dove kite too far from power zone so not enough power to pull out of water
- Dove kite too deep into power zone so pulled out of water, off board and smashed face first into water. Best to let go of bar when this happens, or if aware enough, keep the kite at the edge of the window and start the body drag back to the board.
- board angled too much upwind, this means you usually get pulled off the board again.
- board and power OK - you get up but fail to keep the kite in the power zone, either too far forward or high and you sink again.
- Get planing but then put too much weight on the front foot and sink the board. Important to keep the front leg as straight as you can and weight on back leg.
- board and power and kite position OK - you get up and start planing. Woo hoo and then you start getting nervous about how far off shore you are getting so move the kite out of the power zone, sink and try the other side.

When worried about someone else coming your way on a potential collision course I move the kite up so you sink and then park it somewhere until the threat is passed.

When coming in to shore, stop 10-20m out and then body drag in when the shore is clear. Enjoy the feeling of adrenalin that you have had another session without yourself or anyone else getting hurt.
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
15 Jan 2013 11:37am
Don't know the NSW beaches but Sounds like Scroty has the right idea: Public safety 1st!

I set up on Sunday morning and due to the large number of people on the beach was not willing to attempt a self launch. Within 15mins another kiter arrived and assisted, thanks mate!

Salty Sinus started a great thread called "Noobie lessons learned so far" - recommend.

IMO an extra hour or two drive to a nice flat sand bank with knee deep water is well worth the effort when learning to get up on the board. This will allow you to practice both directions, keep going for a bit once you are up without worrying how far off shore you are and also you can walk back upwind after a few runs.

Until you are more experienced try go with someone to help and always ask for an assisted launch if possible, try the "hookup" section to find new kite buddies.

Also highly recommend practising your "self rescue" so you feel more confident when back in the deep water at your local.

Happy and Safe kiting, it is worth the effort!
laurie
laurie
QLD
3902 posts
QLD, 3902 posts
15 Jan 2013 12:46pm
Great to read guys - kiting is a buzz.

As Gateman suggests, best to avoid launching on your own until you've got more experience .. but not always possible when you're gagging to kite & nobody is down the beach.

Handy skill is reading the wind speed from the water. That way when you're at the beach, you'll be able to tell the wind speed/right kite size from inside your car, without even feeling the wind.

Learn the visual indicators of the Beaufort scale - it's worked for years:
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Help/Beaufort.aspx

Enjoy ... won't be long before you're kiting without even looking at the kite...



Scroty
Scroty
NSW
8 posts
NSW, 8 posts
15 Jan 2013 4:27pm
I forgot to add (why is there no "edit" function on these forums?), at the end of the session when landing the kite on the beach on your own, land the kite as gently as you can at the edge of the wind window and grab both the centre lines and hand-over-hand as you walk up to the kite as quick as you can.
DEECEE
DEECEE
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
19 Jan 2013 12:25pm
Hi there,

Coming from a newbie perspective myself, first let me say that you should never be shy about getting on these forums and asking questions - I've learnt so much about the big and little things that have made my kiting progression so much more productive.

In regards to practicing down south - I've done pretty much all my lessons and subsequent solo sessions anywhere along the shores from Brighton le sands down to Dolls Point. Dolls is a little tougher for the noob as you have to deal with the tide a little more than further up closer to Brighton (I always was a little more intimidated by the pros at Dolls as well).

I've never had to self launch or land anywhere along the Brighton - Dolls strip as there has always been plenty of guys there to help and they always seem to be nice about helping noobs out with advice and tips as well.

if you have had your lessons and are close to getting some good distance on the board, i would ditch the training kite and just get out there and get some hours under your belt. I know it can be a little intimidating seeing all the good guys going at it, and i can tell you that I spent my fair share of time standing on the shore procrastinating about whether to mix in and look like a chump. Once I got it in my head that the guys around Brighton are not judging you and are very supportive if you need it, I got more confidence to get more and more hours under my belt to the point where I have now just about given the walk of shame the flick.

Happy to catch up with you if you are in the area and need a hand getting up and going if it helps.
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
19 Jan 2013 1:25pm
Hi Guys
I've had another thought on this subject:
Some of the guys in a previous thread found benefit in going to a Cable Ski/Wake Park.
This helped them learn to edge the board as well as getting used to riding a TT with their "non prefered" foot forward.
Bear in mind the pull is going to be from your hands rather than from the waist (don't get too used to this unless your aim is riding unhooked from the start) but the experience may have some benefit to you. Personally I've never been to a wake cable park but have tried and succeded in wake boarding behind a boat in the past (a few years ago now).
Hope this helps, particularly if you are gagging to get on the board but there is no wind.

Cost at our local cable park (Sunny Coast) are 1hr = $32, 2hr = $42, 4hr = $50

Happy kiting, Gateman
kiterkook
kiterkook
NSW
63 posts
NSW, 63 posts
27 Jan 2013 11:08pm
Hey vstanman,

100% agree with DEECEE, the only way to get proficient is to get out there and get time on the water.

If there's anything above 10kts you'll generally find someone at 1st carpark L'sands, and folk in this sport are so approachable - no question is too basic to ask, and if there's other liters on the beach they're more than happy to help.

PM me for contact details - happy to meet-up next time you're heading out.
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