What is power vs de-power, really?

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Kazan
Kazan
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21 Jan 2014 10:27am
According to Peter C's excellent kite surfing handbook ...

kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/kite-trimming

"...trimming the kite so it flies in an optimal manner and you are not overpowered or oversheeted."

This is an essential technique to master and I don't think trainers teach it enough or correctly.

It all comes down to the AOA (Angle Of Attack).

Kites are no different than an airplane wing. They have the same shape structure looking at a kite from the side (see above link for diagrams).

Essentially ...

When you DEPOWER your kite you are effectively PULLING IN the LEADING EDGE (or front of the kite facing the wind) of the kite down, which creates less AOA.

When you POWER your kite you are effectively RELEASING OUT the LEADING EDGE (or front of the kite facing the wind) of the kite UP, which creates more AOA. Again look at the green arrow on the diagrams.

A lot of people think that you are trimming the REAR of the kite. No, that would be the opposite effect (pulling in the line will POWER the kite as opposed to DEPOWER it, and of course releasing the rear lines will DEPOWER the kite). But thank fully I don't think any modern kite does this.

So why is it easier to re-launch when the kite is fully DEPOWERED? Because of the position of the kite relative to the wind. When the kite is not at the edge of the window, the kite is already what I called "highly aspected". In other words, it's catching wind like as if it's fully powered up.

If you release the centre lines to create more AOA (powering the kite), you are actually NOT creating power and why it's harder to re-launch. The angle of the kite is facing more away from the wind, hence catching less wind.

But essentially a kite like the shape of an airplane wing, is naturally designed to "move forward". It's shape allows it to be pulled "into the wind" (the upwind effect), and so the more it can do this, the easier it is to re-launch.

Cheers
KIT33R
KIT33R
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22 Jan 2014 12:24pm
We tend to frown on the terms power and de-power when it comes to flying a kite. The terminology is somewhat incorrect. What we are doing when adjusting the trim strap is optimizing the angle of attack of the kite.

Without going into the theory of aerofoils -

As an example, simply put, when you are flying your kite and feeling overpowered even with the bar all the way out, pulling in a bit of trim strap will make it more managable and allow you to have the bar somewhere in the middle of the range giving you more control.

Conversely, the gusts have hit, you've pulled in some trim and are riding along comfortably, then the wind backs off a bit and you feel underpowered now even with the bar all the way in. Letting out the trim strap will help get you back in the optimum range. I do this all the time on the water. It's particularly relevant when in the surf.
Kazan
Kazan
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22 Jan 2014 3:35pm
KIT33R said..
We tend to frown on the terms power and de-power when it comes to flying a kite. The terminology is somewhat incorrect. What we are doing when adjusting the trim strap is optimizing the angle of attack of the kite.


We? Who's we?

But you are spot on. It's just AOA adjusting.
KIT33R
KIT33R
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22 Jan 2014 4:46pm
I good post Kazan. I talk to a lot of new guys on the beach and very few of them know what to do with the trim strap. They mostly leave it alone.
glasstraxx
glasstraxx
WA
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22 Jan 2014 2:29pm
does the AOA effect how well the kite can pull you up wind?

Kamikuza
Kamikuza
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22 Jan 2014 5:26pm
glasstraxx said..

does the AOA effect how well the kite can pull you up wind?



Short answer - yes.
bigtone667
bigtone667
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23 Jan 2014 9:11am
In a perfect world, you would have 329 kites to avoid using the trim strap.
Kazan
Kazan
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23 Jan 2014 10:15pm
bigtone667 said..

In a perfect world, you would have 329 kites to avoid using the trim strap.



? Didn't get the meaning of that
Kamikuza
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23 Jan 2014 11:31pm
Perfect kite for every condition, no need to sheet in or out :D or trim...
kitebt
kitebt
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25 Jan 2014 3:45pm
Kamikuza said..

Perfect kite for every condition, no need to sheet in or out :D or trim...


So you never kite in gusty conditions? Bit of a silly statement IMO.
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
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25 Jan 2014 10:38pm
kitebt said..


Kamikuza said..

Perfect kite for every condition, no need to sheet in or out :D or trim...



So you never kite in gusty conditions? Bit of a silly statement IMO.


Yeah I thought so too, but someone asked what he meant...
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