What's the difference in Tri and quad fins?

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Brohan
Brohan
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7 Sep 2014 3:41pm
I've got a north WAM and can set it up as a Tri or Quad fin set up, I can't notice much difference between the two?

WHen should I be using Tri and when should I be using the Quad fin set up? What are the differences between the two?
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
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WA, 3619 posts
8 Sep 2014 1:52am
One.
belldiver
belldiver
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QLD, 171 posts
23 Sep 2014 10:43pm
Its funny but i dont see any need for quads in kiting,

They were getting heaps of hype on the pro tour (surfing) some 12 plus months ago. The thing that seemed really consistant was the pro's rode quads in perfect glassy conditions, as soon as the wind came up the likes of KS would go back to a thruster.

So in reality it probably wont make a rats bum of difference to you or me but it you get tavarua on a big perfect day and your kiting down the line on big glassy faces go the quad.
Sandfoot
Sandfoot
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573 posts
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23 Sep 2014 11:03pm
The quad set up would be for small waves, will feel looser and a bit more whippy, the tri for bigger waves more drive and a bit more stable, I'm not a board designer but have ridden both set ups.

Maybe more of gimmick than anything ??
harry potter
harry potter
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27 Sep 2014 8:34am
Quads are no gimmick

I changed to riding quads about four years ago and after an initial adjustment period I have never looked back........
The biggest most notable change for me was the speed and drive out of the turns I was now finding it easier to make certain sections ( using the same board just different fin set up)
On the negative side the quads are not as good at pivoting of the bottom or top of the wave but you can combat this to an extent by adjusting you weight distribution and timing.

For many it will just come down to a personal preference.... But if you are willing to go through an initial adjustment period ( for a session or two ) quads can be worth a change


Saved myself some typing

Fin Setups
Quads Offer Speed and More

Quad Fin vs. Thruster: The New Hot Debate
When someone researches surfboard design for a new board a small debate often arises during the quest for information. Quad fin vs. tri-fin thruster? Quad fin vs. twin fin? Quad fin vs. other quad fins? This debate is one of many struggles we face during the eternal quest for better equipment. More than ever before the performance characteristics of a quad fin deserve strong consideration. The recent interest in quad fin setups is justified due to the increased speed, strong hold in hollow waves and high maneuverability.

How Do Quad Fins Ride?

Speed
While fins produce drag when surfing in a straight line, they also help hold and change direction. Shapers will shape a board so it channels water through the back of the board. Water hitting a thruster?s tail fin will slow you down. Water rushing out the back of the tail unobstructed does not cause this deceleration. Where this really provides an advantage is in smaller surf. A surfer on a thruster must generate his own speed whereas a quad will naturally scream down the line.

Large Surf
Many of the world?s top big wave surfers ride quad fins when braving treacherous breaks like Mavericks and Jaws. The reason for the superior hold in larger surf is the two fins near the rail working together. There is no doubting the appeal of a faster board with more hold when trying to outrun a bomb.


Response
You may also want to ask yourself why you wouldn't want a couple fins further up the board if it meant an easier time going rail to rail. More fins under your foot will help any surfer direct his board with more control and with less response time. They also hold a higher line in steeper waves and generate more drive through a turn.

Loosenness
The reason a quad fin set up produces a looser, skatier board is because it lacks the back fin, which also acts as a tracking fin on thrusters. You may notice your quad is very responsive, but you may not always feel that you have complete control in the wave's face. It must be noted that a quad suits a different surfing style than the thruster. It will take some time in the water to adjust your bottom turns, performing moves at a higher speed, and the loose feel. The four fins provide more fin surface area, offering plenty of drive. Still, you hear some surfers say they slide out on bottom turns when first getting accustomed to a quad. Upside: More fin, more hold, more efficient rail turns. Downside: tough to achieve release when attacking the lip.


The real question you need to ask yourself is this: how quickly you can I react to the speed a quad offers? If you're not careful you will be screaming down the line and only getting one turn in before you're at the end of the road. Better nail that big carve back to the sweet spot. Bottom line, a quad is a possible option if you want to really carve the fat off a two foot wave, if you are a power surfer looking for more drive through turns, you are just an average surfer who wants to go faster down the line, or you charge big waves and want to live to tell the grandkids.



ActionSportsWA
ActionSportsWA
WA
1007 posts
WA, 1007 posts
4 Oct 2014 1:44pm
Hi Brohan,

I'll try and put into word my thoughts on Thruster vs Quad. I'm declaring up front that I am more of a fan of thruster over quads, because there are differences in the feel of the board and how it handles.

With Quad fins, two rail fins are biting and creating lift or bite on the wave, this gives you better hold and that translates into more speed on the wave face. This is good when surfing without a kite. Problem for me with Quads is that whilst you have two fins working with the toe in on the rail closest to the wave, the other two fins with the opposing toe angle are cavitating. They cavitate due to the negative angle of attack (from toe angle) and the asymmetric foiling of the fin itself.

The rear quads sit further forward of the single rear thruster fin which brings the collective center of effort of the fins further forward on the board which has the same effect as moving the pivot point further forward or moving a rear thruster well forward on a board with a fin slot. This makes the board more loose and aggressive to turn, but may make the board a little more squirrely at speed.

The thing I don't like on a Quad is the "weirdness" that I feel as the board changes from right carve to left. There is a split second where the change from cavitating fins bite and the previous biting fins cavitate. This happens when going from rail to rail. Hard to articulate verbally, but I call it "weirdness"

Thrusters tend to be happier at high speeds and draw longer arcing turns, there is less disturbance as the board transitions from rail to rail as the rear fin never cavitates as it has a zero angle of incidence (in line with the stringer), and usually has a symmetrical foiling which makes it work on both rails. There is a lovely smoothness to the feel of a Thruster. It may not have the same twitchy responsiveness of a quad, but that will appeal depending upon your style.

At the end of the day, there is no right or wrong, you either love or hate either setup, and some (rare breeds) may not mind either, but there is certainly a difference. I think thrusters work better for kiting, but in surfing there is no denying the additional speed generated in less than optimal surf offered by a good set of quads.

Futures have a try before you buy system on the fin tree. We have this in store where you can try different sets before making a choice.

FWIW. Fins are as personal as boards so be prepared to try different stuff to find what suits your board, conditions and style.

DM
Brohan
Brohan
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528 posts
VIC, 528 posts
4 Oct 2014 5:20pm
I have tried both Quad and Thruster set ups now on and off for a few months, I prefer the Quad set up as it feels like I can edge harder in higher winds and keep up wind easier. I did notice when I pick up speed using Quad fins the board gets a lot twitcher and less stable. I just change the fins depending upon the conditions, Quad for bay chop or small waives and thruster for medium and up waves (not really at that stage yet). Thanks for the info guys.
djt91184
djt91184
QLD
1211 posts
QLD, 1211 posts
8 Oct 2014 10:11pm
Thats interesting saying you can edge higher on a quad. Ive used them both setups just surfing thought a thruster would edge easier. Never used a sb kiting yet.
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