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Rolls
Rolls
VIC
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VIC, 48 posts
24 Feb 2014 4:49pm
I'm fairly new.

When cruising at full tilt i keep getting tons of water spray up into my face - its frigging blinding (don't laugh).

My rear heel tends to catch the swell. Same problem with my new board.

My questions for those in the know:

Do my feet need to be further into the binding? They are already in the middle - 50/50.
OR
Is the board on too much of an angle and i should try to keep it "flatter". Or perhaps the other way around.

You'd think i would be able to figure it out but i've had no success!

TIA
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
24 Feb 2014 4:07pm
Rolls said..

I'm fairly new.

When cruising at full tilt i keep getting tons of water spray up into my face - its frigging blinding (don't laugh).

My rear heel tends to catch the swell. Same problem with my new board.

My questions for those in the know:

Do my feet need to be further into the binding? They are already in the middle - 50/50.
OR
Is the board on too much of an angle and i should try to keep it "flatter". Or perhaps the other way around.

You'd think i would be able to figure it out but i've had no success!

TIA



hehe.. this is common for most beginners. And it could come down to the wrong board for you, including the bindings. There is huge difference between brands/makes of boards and the bindings as well. Some bindings are so rough you might as well just tied rope around your feet. Others are as comfy as a pillow.

Never the less, posture is very important and comes down to practice. No one can really teach it. What I found to be good is to make sure your harness is on tight (tighter than you think - suck that tummy in!) as the pull of the kite on the harness "stretches" it somewhat anyway and you'll be more comfortable. You don't want it slipping up your torso.

Another thing is to simply lean back. Don't be afraid to lean back and don't pull on the bar too much when the kite is parked and you're on your way.

Just remember - dick up in the air - shoulders back.
Rolls
Rolls
VIC
48 posts
VIC, 48 posts
24 Feb 2014 6:04pm
okay thanks. I've just upgraded from an old Cabrinha icon to the carbon Axis Limited with Axis bindings. exactly the same problem. I do lean back. But maybe not enough though? When i do lean back with my 12 switch it really boogies. I have a hard time trying to keep the board in the water as its so choppy in St Kilda. either im overpowered or again im just not experienced enough.
CmonWind
CmonWind
SA
42 posts
SA, 42 posts
24 Feb 2014 8:05pm
I haven't had your problem but I have heard of moving the binding around from the position they are in. further apart, closer together, trial and error might be the solution.

Good luck.
pilotbc69
pilotbc69
QLD
26 posts
QLD, 26 posts
24 Feb 2014 7:48pm
Hey mate, I've had both of these problems. I still get a fair bit of spray off of my front foot hitting the lip of chop and running straight into my face if the wind is juuuuust right. This can somewhat be helped by pushing a little harder on your back foot. This will tend to bring the board around a bit more upwind so your heels aren't exposed to the chop of the chop as much. You can also try to move your bindings forward a bit and see how that helps. It is friggin' annoying that's for sure
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
24 Feb 2014 9:50pm
Hard to tell without seeing a video...

Bend your knees appropriately, use your legs as shock absorbers and stay light on your feet, especially your front foot - a rigid front leg will often cause spray.

Ask Adrian for advice on set up...
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
25 Feb 2014 7:19am
It may not be your stance, some boards give spray no matter what, when ridden in ocean or chop it emphasizes it,
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
25 Feb 2014 12:02pm
cauncy said..

It may not be your stance, some boards give spray no matter what, when ridden in ocean or chop it emphasizes it,



Or it could be you're not edging enough. If you're skimming when the kite loops back up and you're leaning back, then your feet are too flat on the board. Bend your toes UP and see the difference.
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
25 Feb 2014 2:23pm
Kazan said..

Rolls said..

I'm fairly new.

When cruising at full tilt i keep getting tons of water spray up into my face - its frigging blinding (don't laugh).

My rear heel tends to catch the swell. Same problem with my new board.

My questions for those in the know:

Do my feet need to be further into the binding? They are already in the middle - 50/50.
OR
Is the board on too much of an angle and i should try to keep it "flatter". Or perhaps the other way around.

You'd think i would be able to figure it out but i've had no success!

TIA



hehe.. this is common for most beginners. And it could come down to the wrong board for you, including the bindings. There is huge difference between brands/makes of boards and the bindings as well. Some bindings are so rough you might as well just tied rope around your feet. Others are as comfy as a pillow.

Never the less, posture is very important and comes down to practice. No one can really teach it. What I found to be good is to make sure your harness is on tight (tighter than you think - suck that tummy in!) as the pull of the kite on the harness "stretches" it somewhat anyway and you'll be more comfortable. You don't want it slipping up your torso.

Another thing is to simply lean back. Don't be afraid to lean back and don't pull on the bar too much when the kite is parked and you're on your way.

Just remember - dick up in the air - shoulders back.


As Ka-Stan says, this is pretty common. I had the issue for months and then one day, it went away. I blamed the lack of my upwind prowess on the board (which may have been true to a point) but after swapping for an all singing all dancing North Jaime with fully adjustable straps. I had the same issue. Even sometimes clipping swell with my trailing calf muscle and falling in.

The Silver Bullet for me was bindings. Specifically, ensuring they were loose enough I could get my feet all the way in to the point I could get my toes comfortably over the toe-ridge at teh front of the pad. This with an improves stance really helped. Edging more effectively with my rear foot and getting the front of the board out of the water really helped this also. Oh and sunglasses so I wasn't constantly blinded and I could focus on what I was doing and where I was going!
Rolls
Rolls
VIC
48 posts
VIC, 48 posts
25 Feb 2014 10:30pm
Okay thanks for the tips.

Went out tonight - fairly windy. Was a little better.

Interesting to read the comment about your toes going to the edge of the binding. My toes are at least an inch from the edge of the lip. Maybe two.

So just to make sure I get this right, my big toe should be touching the black lip?


www.thekiteboarder.com/2012/11/2013-buyers-guide-axis/

Thanks heaps
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
26 Feb 2014 9:29am
I was out last night on the 2014 Axis Vanguard 137x42 and Ultra 144x45 scored a demo woohoo!

Kazan's point of bending toes up... the idea is to be driving your weight through your heels and standing more upright on the board, then use fore/aft weighting to control angle to the wind.
You're probably pointing your toes, straightening your legs, and leaning way back to achieve the same edging...

And of course, you have to stand up straighter when going over bigger chop anyway; geometry of the water vs your body is such that if you don't, you'll clip it.
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
26 Feb 2014 11:56am
Kamikuza said..

I was out last night on the 2014 Axis Vanguard 137x42 and Ultra 144x45 scored a demo woohoo!

Kazan's point of bending toes up... the idea is to be driving your weight through your heels and standing more upright on the board, then use fore/aft weighting to control angle to the wind.
You're probably pointing your toes, straightening your legs, and leaning way back to achieve the same edging...

And of course, you have to stand up straighter when going over bigger chop anyway; geometry of the water vs your body is such that if you don't, you'll clip it.


Could not have said it better myself Kami.
gesper
gesper
NSW
518 posts
NSW, 518 posts
26 Feb 2014 10:20pm
If your footstraps are at the widest setting this would cause a lot of spray in the face because your front foot would be causing too much weight on front of board. If this is the case move the straps closer together, even the narrow setting is ok for freeriding . With your stance if you try to point your front foot towards where your heading and as mentioned in other posts pull up on your toes and straighten front leg , lean out as far as possible it will naturally bend your back leg and put pressure on your back heel, also it will pull the front of the board out of the water thus reducing spray. If you really want to edge hard upwind hold the bar with one hand , chicken loop between index and middle finger and lean out as far as possible . Its amazing how much further upwind you can track by using this method . Hope this helps
Rolls
Rolls
VIC
48 posts
VIC, 48 posts
27 Feb 2014 12:09am
Thanks. All great tips.

I'm down with hanging out with one hand and grabbing the centreline with the other. Awesome feeling!

I often feel it's a lot easier to do this heading in one certain direction versus another. And I also have the spray issue more so when I'm heading in the harder direction. Again I guess it's logical cause when your further from the board hanging out, you're not in the line of fire from the spray - i.e. your leaning out away from the board.

Regarding straightening the front leg. When it's really cranking how do you control this stance when flying over swell. I.e. You get a small pop but you come down hard on the straight front leg. Almost jarring. Any thoughts?

I'll try the toe technique next time I'm out. Great tips gents.

Hey I also read today re. the axis binding"Remember that the board will ride best with the pad assembly centered on the board rail to rail. This is important for balanced riding heelside and toeside. If it is setup too close to the railside you will have water spraying in your face." Might double check tomoz.
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
27 Feb 2014 9:41am
Straighten your front leg relative to your rear but NEVER lock your knee - you should always have some bend in it.
Use your knees and legs as shock absorbers to maintain a good stance with the angle of your back, shoulders etc. When you're more powered, it'll help to bend your knees more - both front and rear - to drop your CoG but aim to maintain shoulders back, dick to the bar stance... if you're pooh stancing because you can't handle the power, change the kite.

Also try ducking your feet more or less to see if it makes a difference, and really think about pushing down with your heels and standing up on the board more.

What year is your Axis board?
Rolls
Rolls
VIC
48 posts
VIC, 48 posts
1 Mar 2014 10:11pm
This year. The limited. Good board IMO although I'm no expert
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