When is the kite "un-recoverable"?

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Papajero
Papajero
11 posts
11 posts
5 Mar 2012 7:50am
Finished my lessons, had a couple of solo sessons and it's all coming along way better than I could have ever hoped for but I still have plenty of queries.

Top of the list is this one...
At what stage does the kite become un-recoverable and the only option is to self-rescue?

The other day I crashed and one of the lines seemed to go behind the canopy on the corner (I don't know how exactly and I don't even know if this is possible) but I spent quite a few minutes trying to sort it out before it self-corrected but after that my lines were crossed (I don't fully understand how) once the kite got airborne again and control was difficult. Unfortunately I'd lost my board by then and after a lot of searching I gave up and was able to body drag to shore no problem.

But while the kite was messed up I was thinking... When do I give up and self rescue? When is it "too far gone"?

Tried a few searches on the forum but no luck

Cheers
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
5 Mar 2012 10:41am
Each scenario is different. Consider the conditions. If you're being blown out to sea and you're not sure if re-launching is even possible, make the decision early. If, by continueing to try to re-launch, you are a hazard to others in a crowded area, do what you need to do quickly. If you're in shallow water a full self rescue may not be necessary, maybe the kite can be dragged via the centre/front lines to the shore?
pomE
pomE
NSW
164 posts
NSW, 164 posts
5 Mar 2012 12:57pm
I had EXACTLY the same scenario happen to me two weeks ago at Botany.

Over-rotated on a jump, let go of the bar on (crash), landing, and somehow BOTH outside lines managed to fall back over both wingtips and behind the kite! Couldn't figure out why the kite wouldn't re-launch and it was only after a few minutes I realised what had happened.

Managed to fly the kite back of a fashion to the shore just in time for me to avoid drifting into one of the groynes.
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
5 Mar 2012 12:27pm
Inverted kites happen. If you can't relaunch straight away, hand over hand up the 5th/front lines to try and get it to roll back through the lines. You can still fly an inverted kite,but only really to get back to shore.

rawd0g
rawd0g
WA
4 posts
WA, 4 posts
7 Mar 2012 12:00am
I had a similar experience a few weeks back. I'm fairly new to the sport and have been progressing decently but always fearing the self rescue in the back of my mind.

I was doing a downwinder, let out too much slack in the lines, caught up to my kite and it crashed and then flipped on itself. After relaunching it and seeing the lines crossed, I made the (way too) hasty decision to pull my safety and self rescue... bad idea.

In hindsight I should have just flown it in to shore, but my tired mind acted too quickly and I took myself from bad to worse. The self rescue was a painful and long process that I wished I had practiced in water previously as it took several attempts and sucked.

Lesson learned - learn and understand all safety gear and (self) rescue options.

Some more experienced kiters' opinions on what to do in such situations would be much appreciated.
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
7 Mar 2012 11:23pm
rawd0g said...

I'm fairly new to the sport and have been progressing decently but always fearing the self rescue in the back of my mind.



Hi rawd0g,

The reason you and many other newbies "fear" the self rescue, is because you most likely have never had to do it in "real" conditions and weren't ever taught it properly. There is nothing to fear in a self rescue. It should be a natural part of kiting to just say, "Oh bugger this, I'm just gonna self rescue now", without fear or trepidation.

TIP: If failing to relaunch in light winds or tangled semi controllable kite, flick it across the other side of the wind window so that it pulls you towards the shore even if it doesn't relaunch. I've seen people get dragged kilometres out to see whilst continually trying to relaunch on the opposite side of the wind window to the beach.

TIP: Always be positionally aware. ie keep an eye on your position and distance from land or shore, you should never "suddenly" look up and find yourself well outside your comfort zone or past a point of no return and have to ditch your gear.

TIP: If you are a very long way off shore stay with your kite and keep it inflated UNLESS you are being blown offshore. The kite, whilst inflated, is easier to see and people on the beach can tell if you are successfully self rescuing from as far away as 3km without bino's. Once you pull the deflate valve, you become invisible to rescuers further away than a few hundred metres.

TIP: If you do find yourself late in the afternoon (sun setting) and much further out than you can swim in and the wind is offshore, stay with your kite and use it as a life preserver. A search party will much more easily find a kite in the open ocean than a person on their own.

TIP: Only kite out as far as you are prepared to swim in, and preferably, kite with someone you know who can keep and eye on you.

TIP: If the kite is powered and tangled and you cannot stop it looping out of control, ditch it and start swimming in. You can always buy another kite and even the most expensive kite will be much cheaper than the most basic coffin.

Kite safely,

DM
Nicko82
Nicko82
WA
54 posts
WA, 54 posts
8 Mar 2012 11:31am
AKSonline said...

rawd0g said...

I'm fairly new to the sport and have been progressing decently but always fearing the self rescue in the back of my mind.



Hi rawd0g,

The reason you and many other newbies "fear" the self rescue, is because you most likely have never had to do it in "real" conditions and weren't ever taught it properly.


your right Mr DM.. I was never showed this skill during my lessons with elements at woodies.

Now I know i feel better to do this in the water myself.
Addikt
Addikt
WA
553 posts
WA, 553 posts
8 Mar 2012 9:11pm
AKSonline said...



TIP: Only kite out as far as you are prepared to swim in, and preferably, kite with someone you know who can keep and eye on you.



Very valid points from DM, but Only kite out as far as you are prepared to swim in is what I live by............
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
10 Mar 2012 3:23am
As stated when you need to self rescue depends on the situation.

If the kite is looping like mad. pull the safety asap.\
If your in big waves, pull the safety if you can't relaunch before the next monster set roles in.
if your kite isn't going to be mothered by a wave and no crazy looping is happening then take as long as you like. as long as your not getting taken out to see or endangering others.
TKC1
TKC1
SA
52 posts
SA, 52 posts
14 Mar 2012 11:22am
If you fly a 5 line kite, be careful when it inverts and the middle line is wrapped around the canopy. I've seen kites with this type of inversion power-up, turn into a bow-tie due to the pressure of the 5th line, and tear in half.. I always do a self rescue when this happens..

I remember this one session I had at the beginning of the year in this huge lagoon in Sri Lanka where i had 3 inversions in one day.. which meant 3 self rescues.. It was a pain in the ass, and my own fault for kiting on a gusty day.. but ultimately, 3 packdowns are better than a ripped kite..

3 tips (which I'm sure you know already, but that I've seen people forget time and time again)..
1 - please make sure your oh-**** release is attached to the correct line, I've seen beginners attach it, absentmindedly to their suicide (sometimes a metal hole on the chicken loop) without realising, that's not fun because it pretty much negates the chicken loop when you pull your safety to do your packdown..
2 - when you pump up your kite at the beginning of a session, if you have struts that fill straight from the leading edge ALWAYS remember to do them up, again, i've seen learners have to do a self rescue, but let ALL the air out of their kite.. it's a very long hard and heavy swim back to the beach if you have a completely deflated kite..
3 - once you let the air out of your leading edge, do the stopper back up again before completing the pack down.. water in your leading edge is not fun..

In terms of other times I might recommend to self-rescue.. when the wind is high and you don't have someone on hand to land your kite for you, I think doing a safety pack down in the shallower water is safer than trying to self-land on the shore if you're unexperienced..

Anyway - I would suggest practicing in light wind in shallow water.. or ever water slightly out of your depth, it's such a worth while skill to have!! Hope you aren't so daunted by the prospect any more.. happy kiting!
TKC
austin
austin
671 posts
671 posts
14 Mar 2012 9:01am
if you think the situation is almost unrecoverable, give the centre lines a good yank over and try to try and get the kite rolling over. If your lucky then the extra movemement will rotate the kite over and free up a snagged line.

To the move experienced guys, take note of cray bouy's, post pillars, boat mooring's. if you going offshore teather your gear off and swim down to the kite and sort it out! Never had to approach this option but on my numerous solo adventures up north it's always an option (specially out the back of hell's!)
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