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Lorgra
Lorgra
WA
215 posts
WA, 215 posts
20 Feb 2011 5:45pm
Hi all,

I posted a problem last week about my kite (Core GT 10.5m) launching and received some good advice.

I checked my line lengths and had another go on the weekend and the kite seems to be flying OK.

Still having trouble staying up for more than a few seconds before either falling back or being flung forward superman style (which is when I usually have trouble with the kite).

I bought the kite second hand and was wondering how often you should replace the lines on your kite due to stretching? (Not trying to blame my tools just wondering if it might help with the overall flight and control of the kite).

I'm beginning to lose heart because every time I go practicing the kite will go down because I've come off and the lines crossover the and when I try relaunch the kite flies all over the place twisting the lines more and eventually I have to self rescue, end up losing my board and packing up and going home.

Luckily the riders at Pinnaroo are a great bunch and have brought my board back for me on many all occasions.

Perhaps I need a different type of kite? Or perhaps another lesson?

cheers

PS My body dragging skills are getting a great work out
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
20 Feb 2011 8:58pm
Hi Lorga, Yeah maybe have one more lesson using your own gear....at least then you will know whether it is the kite or not. Or ask some one with more experience to check if your kite is rigged/flying as it should.

I have not flown a Core kite so don't know how good they are as a first kite.

Good luck with it mate.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
21 Feb 2011 12:15am
sounds like your kite is just rolling through its lines. to avoid this:

1) don't crash the kite
2) if you crash it carve the board upwind, away from the kite as much as possible so that the lines stay tight
3) if the kite is leading edge down and starts to fall onto its back, pull the bar in or if you can grab them quickly, pull both rear line leaders to keep the kite from falling over.

get someone who knows what they're doing to check your lines. if one or more has stretched you should be able to adjust them at the bar. no need to buy new lines unless they're worn. you can easily re-sew the sleeves to even up your lines if you don't have enough adjustment at the leaders. this is probably all a bit advanced for now, so just get someone to check your setup and then learn to keep your lines tight when you crash so the kite doesn't rollover onto its back.
SpawnofFossl
SpawnofFossl
SA
116 posts
SA, 116 posts
21 Feb 2011 2:44pm
I am a noob too and I'll try and explain the main mistakes I have been making.

I have a Crossbow 3 12m which has a very long bar throw on it. This proves to be a problem when you crash because if you crash the lines go very slack which allows the kite to roll and in my case it has inverted the kite many times which is not fun.

Making sure you keep pressure on the lines when you crash is good advice however it is important not to pull hard on the lines - eg "hanging on to the bar" as this may relaunch the kite and take you for a ride :)

Still having trouble staying up for more than a few seconds before either falling back or being flung forward superman style (which is when I usually have trouble with the kite).

Ok so falling back can be caused by a few different things - My biggest issue is that I am losing power once up on the board and just sink again.

Main things I am doing wrong at the moment -
* not pointing my board down wind -- this means you are trying to edge the board on startup and not planing downwind first so you are losing all of your power from board pressure.
* wind is not very strong and power stroke is too small -- when you move the kite slightly away before diving it you are not doing it smoothly or deep enough - this means you go up but then die again.
* Choking the kite -- I found out that this is a common mistake with noobs apparently -- It is basically human nature to hang on the bar and sheet in when you are off balance - you will find that if you let the bar out you will find a sweet spot that will have much more power - so once you are up and pointing the board relax your arms a little and extend them more.

Superman comes as a result of either moving your kite way too fast through the power zone or not pointing your board. Usually a combination of the two- so instead of the power of the kite pulling you horizontal it has to pull you up - up up up and away.

Hope this helps and these are the sorts of things an intructor will guide you on.

Stick with it mate - I have had to self rescue from an inverted kite 3 times now and it is disheartening but some things need to be repeated for your brain to do it automatically - so keep practicing and if you are still struggling, get some lessons with someone who teaches with a walkie talkie so they can tell you what you are doing wrong on the go.
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
21 Feb 2011 2:19pm
SpawnofFossl said...

I am a noob too and I'll try and explain the main mistakes I have been making.

I have a Crossbow 3 12m which has a very long bar throw on it. This proves to be a problem when you crash because if you crash the lines go very slack which allows the kite to roll and in my case it has inverted the kite many times which is not fun.

Making sure you keep pressure on the lines when you crash is good advice however it is important not to pull hard on the lines - eg "hanging on to the bar" as this may relaunch the kite and take you for a ride :)

Still having trouble staying up for more than a few seconds before either falling back or being flung forward superman style (which is when I usually have trouble with the kite).

Ok so falling back can be caused by a few different things - My biggest issue is that I am losing power once up on the board and just sink again.

Main things I am doing wrong at the moment -
* not pointing my board down wind -- this means you are trying to edge the board on startup and not planing downwind first so you are losing all of your power from board pressure.
* wind is not very strong and power stroke is too small -- when you move the kite slightly away before diving it you are not doing it smoothly or deep enough - this means you go up but then die again.
* Choking the kite -- I found out that this is a common mistake with noobs apparently -- It is basically human nature to hang on the bar and sheet in when you are off balance - you will find that if you let the bar out you will find a sweet spot that will have much more power - so once you are up and pointing the board relax your arms a little and extend them more.

Superman comes as a result of either moving your kite way too fast through the power zone or not pointing your board. Usually a combination of the two- so instead of the power of the kite pulling you horizontal it has to pull you up - up up up and away.

Hope this helps and these are the sorts of things an intructor will guide you on.




Very good post and highlights all the things I would have said to work on.
Lorgra
Lorgra
WA
215 posts
WA, 215 posts
21 Feb 2011 1:50pm
Hi all,

Thanks for the advice.

On reflection I think some of the times I do get flung forward I have been looking down to see what's happening with my feet and not looking at what the kite is doing.

I have also spent some time on a trapeze on a sailing dinghy which entails keeping the front front straightned and pushing out with the back foot to get out on the trapeze and putting your weight into the harness and keeping your back leg slightly bent.

It just seems to happen a bit quicker on a kite. I'll get there and will look at another lesson if things don't improve. Will first get the kite checked out for peice of mind.

cheers
CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
31 posts
QLD, 31 posts
21 Feb 2011 4:00pm
Maybe you have a mate with a kite he will let you crash? That way you can get the feel of another kite.
Lorgra
Lorgra
WA
215 posts
WA, 215 posts
21 Feb 2011 3:03pm
Would using a smaller kite help in the learning curve?
CheeseBurger
CheeseBurger
QLD
31 posts
QLD, 31 posts
21 Feb 2011 5:51pm
Like I said, I'm a noob so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt, but I wouldnt go down I would just stick at it. My instructor told me to just keep trying to get up on the board and after 100 times I will have learnt.

I dont see any problem with getting dragged into the water as long as you are being safe and leaving plenty of room and all that. You will just have to develop the muscle memory associated with riding the board.

Just keep on trying and hopefully it will stick.
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
21 Feb 2011 6:55pm
don't try and remotely kite upwind or even perpendicular to the wind. I learnt to stop stacking by directing the board almost directly downwind. This way i learnt to stand up, get some speed and then started to learn to edge. good luck
SpawnofFossl
SpawnofFossl
SA
116 posts
SA, 116 posts
8 Mar 2011 5:37pm
Lorgra said...

Would using a smaller kite help in the learning curve?


That is a question that requires more information.

What wind strength are you kiting in and how much do you weigh?
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
QLD, 796 posts
8 Mar 2011 9:34pm
SpawnofFossl said: I have had to self rescue from an inverted kite 3 times now and it is disheartening..

You shouldnt have to self rescue from an inverted kite. Your lines will be crossed but your kite will still fly. you wont have the same responce from your kite as normal but it gives you enough to get back to dry land.
QLD, 481 posts
9 Mar 2011 8:49am
Rule of thumb the bigger the kite the less skill needed to kite, mainly because its much slower, but if your out in to much wind it may help would need more info (kite size ,wind range ,weight) check your lines and keep practicing.
Have fun George
QLD, 481 posts
9 Mar 2011 8:59am
Hi SpawnofFossl most of the time if you can get your kite side ways in the wind you can get it out of inversion and if the lines are crossed it will still fly my advice is to try this in shallow water next time . But well done on your pack downs most people dont practice this enough and at some point in time you will need it (Ive packed down and had to swim with kite for about 40mins was buggered but still got home fine )
Have fun
George
SpawnofFossl
SpawnofFossl
SA
116 posts
SA, 116 posts
9 Mar 2011 9:33am
jas73 said...


You shouldnt have to self rescue from an inverted kite. Your lines will be crossed but your kite will still fly. you wont have the same responce from your kite as normal but it gives you enough to get back to dry land.


Thanks for the info and I am well aware of what is possible with an inverted kite. Unfortunately I didn't wan't to get too much into it on my last post as I didn't wan't to make an already large post any larger.

Have already discussed the options of an inverted kite in this post -- www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/South-Australia/Noob-looking-for-Kite-Buddy/

and also in other posts in other topics.

The unfortunate side to the story is that the first two times when I inverted the kite as a noob i just left the kite sitting on the water as I worked out what to do. Unfortunately where I kite there is a lot of weed and this builds up on the lines to the point where you can't get it off the water when inverted.

The third time this happened the kite inverted and I flew it into shore as you mentioned before but the kite caught a gust and powered down into the shallow water and blew the leading edge.

So your response is partlyl correct and partly not. Different kites fly differently when inverted as I have seen a slingshot rev fly fine inverted but a crossbow 3 with lines full of weed did not like it very much :)
morganhiscox
morganhiscox
WA
2 posts
WA, 2 posts
27 Mar 2011 10:31am
Hi All

I'm starting out and recently got a second hand set up. I think the Kite is a Griffin 09 and works fine but it won't sit at 12 o'clock, it always pulls to the right a bit. So when body dragging, its easy to go right, but when going left, it's almost impossible to hold the bar with one hand and twist it enough to keep the kite in the correct position. I've had experienced friends check the lines and the left hand blue was a bit longer so we shortened it and then the kite was a lot more balanced in the sky. But a week later it had gone back to the way it was. My solution is to replace the strings. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

Morgan
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
27 Mar 2011 2:14pm
No need to replace the lines. You should have plenty of room to tune them at the bar. If not, you can restitch an end. I use heavy duty polyester upholstery thread from Spotlight and stitch them by hand, re-using the original sleeving. Never had a problem.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
27 Mar 2011 9:55pm
I haven't read all the replies but you need more time spent flying the kite and not near a board.

Crash it, relaunch it, ad nauseum.....

Do it for a whole weekend until you don't even have to think about it. You are not ready for the board until you have sufficient time under a kite.

Personally, I get my students to log a minimum of 10 hours of practice time between the final body drag lesson and the board lesson.

Go back a step and get your flying skills a little more proficient.
morganhiscox
morganhiscox
WA
2 posts
WA, 2 posts
2 Apr 2011 1:54pm
They've been retuned heaps allready, they keep changing though. I just measured them and there's 15 cm difference in the blue lines (which I've been making up with pigtails). I think they're over the hill and should get rid of them.

djdojo said...

No need to replace the lines. You should have plenty of room to tune them at the bar. If not, you can restitch an end. I use heavy duty polyester upholstery thread from Spotlight and stitch them by hand, re-using the original sleeving. Never had a problem.


NSW, 4382 posts
3 Apr 2011 9:46am
morganhiscox said...

They've been retuned heaps allready, they keep changing though. I just measured them and there's 15 cm difference in the blue lines (which I've been making up with pigtails). I think they're over the hill and should get rid of them.

djdojo said...

No need to replace the lines. You should have plenty of room to tune them at the bar. If not, you can restitch an end. I use heavy duty polyester upholstery thread from Spotlight and stitch them by hand, re-using the original sleeving. Never had a problem.





Sometimes this happens to lower quality lines. If they keep stretching its time to replace them.
You can get top quality colour coded and numbered Ozone 360kg 25M linesets here for $189
http://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_16490_Ozone_4__5_Linesets_cat_361.html

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