Where to kite when learning?

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chino
chino
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VIC, 166 posts
15 Jan 2010 12:01pm
Hey guys,

New to the sport but am absolutely loving it despite my obvious and embarassing level of suckage. I guess the reason for my post is I'm wondering how I can best escape this vortex of suck by causing the least amount of headache and annoyance to people around me.

So yeah, taken my 5 hours of lessons and got my own gear (10m havoc, you may have seen it flopping around and smashing into the water or dragging me around the beach like a true newbie) and have reasonable control of the kite when I'm not trying to do anything else (see above). I know to progress I'm just gonna have to drag myself around in the water a bit until moving around and maneuvering the kite becomes second nature and my bar adjustments become finer and less spastic.

But really, I dont wanna piss off everyone else while practicing. StK is busy enough as it is and I have this fear of chucking my kite into someone else or tangling lines. Any suggestions? Go elsewhere? Bodydrag in light winds when it's a bit emptier in the water? Move to Thailand for a year and make all my embarassing mistakes overseas? Just suck it up and be in the way?

Thanks in advance.
ice
ice
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ice ice
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15 Jan 2010 12:11pm
Generally, kiters will avoid you.

To make this easier, look upwind when walking backwards into deeper water. If a kiter is going to pass upwind of you, wait and keep the kite low. If the kiter is going to pass downwind of you, keep walking backwards and keep the kite at 12 o'clock.
superlizard
superlizard
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702 posts
VIC, 702 posts
15 Jan 2010 12:36pm
don't keep your other five kites parked on the beach during peak hours while you are riding your preferred kite... oh, actually that's not advice for you, but for all other newbies, or maybe they are not newbies who do that, and they think they own the beach realestate... so other kiters have to walk for miles to find free space to rig up... next time i'm gonna just move these kites out of the way...

if the wind conditions have changed and you need to switch kite, it only takes 2 minutes to deflate your other kite and move it out of the way... (this applies to urban beaches with big crowds and limited space)
olitwist
olitwist
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15 Jan 2010 1:23pm
It sounds like you have a lot more sense/respect than some of the noobs I've seen out there recently who seem to want to just stand in the water out on the sandbar with their kite at 12! The fact that you are asking this question is a good sign I would say.

It is hard when you are a beginner but the best advice I can give you is to try and find somewhere a little bit quieter to practice until you feel confident in controlling the kite. It is a shame that West beach is not a bit bigger because I have seen it get increasingly busy in recent times, and I can remember what it is like to be a noob. This beach is becoming increasingly dangerous due to the sheer number of kiters. There are other beaches locally that work well with the prevailing wind that might give you a little bit more space for practicing, where you are free to make mistakes without the fear of taking out someone else's kite in the process.

Otherwise just try and find somewhere on West Beach where there are not too many kiters i.e. the Port Melbourne end of the beach. Recently the kiddie-pool (Which is unofficially really meant to be for advanced riders) has seen a deluge of noobs who understandably want to practice their skills. Unfortunately the noobs are not really in full control, and really don't understand the difficulties involved in learning unhooked tricks. This means that the kiddie-pool is becoming increasingly crowded and dangerous.

If you are a noob and are kiting at West Beach please try and keep moving. DO not stand out on the sandbar with your kite in the air doing nothing. If someone else is so close that you do not feel comfortable in water-starting do not just stand there with your kite at 12. Just move until you find some space. When you do "the walk of shame" make sure you are far enough from the water that your kite will not interfere with anyone else who is trying to water-start.

Unfortunately the way things are going right now I fear that within 2 years we will either have had a serious accident, or will have banning/restrictions imposed at this beach. Let's all try and make sure that this does not happen.



chino
chino
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166 posts
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15 Jan 2010 2:11pm
Thanks. I've been down by the Port Melb side and it seems a little quieter down there thankfully. There is that rock bar that comes out but out of fear for wrecking my kite I'm shamefully walking back well before that.

And as for continuing to move, this is gonna sound like a stupid question, but do you mean keeping your kite moving or physically getting your whole self out of the way?

The other day I had my kite at 12 just getting a feel of the wind in the gusts (standing in the sandbar, im surprised i didnt get beat up now reading all these posts) when another bodydragger who was upwind of me kite came incredibly close to my kite. He saw me and I saw him, and the last thing i wanted to do was chuck it in some direction and actually get more in his way. So i just sat there like a dumbass with my kite at 12 till he moved his kite. I honestly didn't know what else do to.

It's stuff like this that makes me the most anxious. I guess I equated it to being stuck behind an L plater while driving. If I'm behind someone going slow, I'll just overtake that person and move on. The second things get dangerous is when that L plater does something stupid like brake or swerve suddenly.

Wrong or right?
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
15 Jan 2010 4:17pm
My advice is consolidate what you have learnt with as many hours flying as possible .Really get the kiting side of things dialed so that when you add the board you are not combining something that you are new and still not an expert with another thing .
make the most of days that experienced kiters rate as crap and not worth going out in (the light wind days ) there will be fewer distractions and you be amazed with the skills that you develop in light winds ( and particularly finesse) .You will find that those skills gained in the light stuff will make the windy stuff so much easier .
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
15 Jan 2010 4:48pm
^^^ Good advise from Mr Float. Also, for your own safety, try not to have your kite at 12 o'clock any longer than you really need to. Lofting in gusty conditions is a serious issue to fear frozen untrained hands. If you keep your kite low (45 deg) you are less of a hazard to others as well when walking up the beach or out into the water. I don't know StK at all but it sounds like you would progress quicker in a quieter spot even if it is a bit further away. Can you get out mid week after work when it's not so busy or the wind is light (10 knots)?
superlizard
superlizard
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702 posts
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15 Jan 2010 4:58pm
i'm not sure that too light wind is adequate for beginners... you need reasonable amount to get you going... with insufficient wind it's easy to get tea bagged... i wouldn't recomend below 15... it's hard learning your board skills, and trying to fly the kite hard in too light wind when starting off.... of course one should be weary of too strong winds when learning too...

also, best times to go kiting (least crowded) - any time before 5pm, and also i find an hour or so before sunset most kiters have already finished... had some best sessions then... also in really cold weather it's not very crowded...

finding a quiet spot is your best bet... whether you are newb, or veteran kiter, kiting in crowds is a sh1tty experience...

i see it all the time at my local spot... heaps of kiters (most seem fairly new) congested in the exact same spot... the only way i can explain this phenomenon is that they can't move upwind to get out of that area... it's like going shopping before christmas
olitwist
olitwist
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56 posts
VIC, 56 posts
15 Jan 2010 6:09pm
If another kiter comes very close to you then you should keep your kite still so that they don't get a surprise, but I would say as soon as it is safe to do so, lower your kite to 45 degrees and find a bit more space. If you see that someone upwind is waiting for you to do your water-start, do it as quickly as possible so that you move downwind and give them a chance to get started.

I gotta say tho I really appreciate that you are asking these questions - too many people out there are just oblivious to the other water users around them.
mrfresh
mrfresh
WA
1 posts
WA, 1 posts
9 Feb 2010 11:57am
hey all, good post! Im in the same boat, have just picked up the kite and my main concern is pissing others off on the beach. After i tangled lines with a guy the other week at pinaroo point im super paranoid now. Is there any quiet beaches/spots in perth where would be good for learning the kite? North would be better
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
QLD, 796 posts
14 Feb 2010 1:34am
I am in the same boat as you and hate going down the beach when its crowded but sometimes you have no chioce. Yes its best to keep your kite down whenever you can and be aware of whats going on around you. I dont think anything under 15 knots is good to learn in, you just struggle trying to get up or fight to get up wind. I notice most guys with any experience work alot harder when the wind is lighter even though they dont make it look hard.
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