Who gives the best value for lessons in Perth

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wheels
wheels
WA
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WA, 204 posts
20 May 2011 11:02pm
Who gives the best value for lessons in Perth ?
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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21 May 2011 12:44pm
They all do - you just have to ask them

But the real answer of course is "we do" - Woodys KSS.

Seriously though - all you can do is ask and see what you think yourself. And ask any kiter you can find on the beach what they have experienced. BUT ignore any who say dont bother with lessons. They should know better.

AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
22 May 2011 12:29pm
Hi Wheels,

The best "value" lessons are those that are taught properly with a focus on safety and rider independence.

Anyone who says they can get you up and riding in one or two lessons is a shonky cowboy. Price should not even be a consideration and neither should how fast you get up on the board. The differences between the cheapest school and the most expensive for 6 hours of tuition is probably only $180.

We are talking about keeping you alive when things go wrong. Would you go to the cheapest hang gliding school, or the cheapest skydiving school? If so, choose the nearest cheapest one, if not, then you need to ask around at the local kite beaches and do your homework. Words are easily written on a website and they only mean something if they back up words with actions.

There will be a new teaching standard released for Australia very soon. It will give a comprehensive list of skills and exercises that must be taught in a chronological order in order to receive the best possible start in Kitesurfing.

Good luck,

DM

PS. Our school is the best
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
22 May 2011 4:02pm
wheels said...

Who gives the best value for lessons in Perth ?


can you expand on the 'value' comment??

If you talking costs then just say 'the cheapest'

If you are talking 'cheapest' then FYI instructors make $50 per hour out of a 2 hr $200-240 lesson. (50/50 split & depends on each school, but as a rule across Australia that's the deal) Private instructors charge $50 per hour flat rate. ($100 for 2 hr lesson) So for the price of a '2 hr school' lesson you could have 4 hrs of private instruction with a 'cowboy' (as they are called ) instructor. Schools offer insurance, private instructors don't. Schools offer lessons price back if you buy their gear, cowboys don't. Last time an insurance claim was filed by a school for an accident involving a student?? Who knows, but the premiums are always gonna be high. That's why privates don't bother with insurance. Better to be safe than sorry I guess.

I occasionally teach friends, and friends of friends for a few beers. I like it that way and it's more for the enjoyment of the sport rather than the $$$ value. I have previously taught for a good school with a good boss, but I quickly realised I was losing the passion for the sport doing it day in day out with little riding for myself.

If your talking lesson content then practically all schools and teach the same. As per IKO standards for their instructors. Some teach other little inclusions but still get you doing what you need to do. Value can also mean how your instructor relates to their students. No use having someone who is hard to understand I guess.

If your willing to spend the $$$ then go with a SB site sponsor. AKS would be a good start. It all depends on your area. South location Woodys, North location AKS.

At the end of the day a sausage is a sausage. Doesn't matter if it's curried, BBQ'd or freaking pan fried.... Kitesurfing isn't rocket science really.






wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
24 May 2011 12:04am
NoBs
Im not chasing the cheapest but in saying that i dont want to get ripped off either.The other problem i have is that now winter is almost here i guess most private instructors are closed or traveling untill seabreezes return,can any one recommend private instructors north of the river that operate at this time of the year,if someone can teach me for 8hrs for $400 without getting me killed then i be happy to speak to them,(I have brought a 9m rebel 2009 and a 11m slingshot Rev 2 2009 which i will be happy to destroy learning) is there a reconised instructors qualification at the moment or does it just go on experience?
Thanks for all feed back so far.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
24 May 2011 2:33pm
Destroying your kites and saving a few bucks on lessons is not even a false economy: it's no economy.

Go to a decent school who'll teach you well, including the different things you'll need to know about your 5 line and 4 line kites, which, incidentally, will have pretty close to the same windrange.

Hint: if you ask for advice on here and then ignore comments from knowledgable people, eventually you'll stop getting good advice at all.
chelles888
chelles888
WA
100 posts
WA, 100 posts
24 May 2011 8:01pm
Hi wheels, im sure you are keen as mustard to get out there and learn BUT paying $400 aint going to do it safely, you'll just be paying some guy who thinks he knows what he's doing but really just wants to earn quick dollars, then you'll be sent packing on your own and when your put in a sticky situation you will panic. I know everyone is different and if you still choose to take the cheaper option then i hope it serves you well but for me speaking with experience as still very much a newbie, i wanted to get into the sport so badly i did it on the cheap and had a few instances i would of rather avoided and could of been prevented if i waited, saved that bit of extra cash and got the BEST VALUE out of my lessons. Safety is worth spending money on, afterall its not just you, you have to worry about, whilst the more experienced will stay out of your way other beginners may not be able to. It sucks being winter right now, i was just getting into it but now could be the time you watch, read, learn and save, then as soon as the season kicks in hit one of the schools up for lessons. If your serious about the sport you'll be patient cause i'm telling you it will pay off. I will be going to AKS or Woodys to redo my lessons beginnning of the season as I feel i wasted my time with the cheaper ones elsewhere. I would recommend them both and whilst i dont know them all that well the dealings i have had with them have been valuable. SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY is worth every dollar you spend so please avoid the cheap where possible:0) Good Luck Wheels and I hope to see you out there in the new season:0)
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
24 May 2011 8:36pm
djdojo said...

Destroying your kites and saving a few bucks on lessons is not even a false economy: it's no economy.

Go to a decent school who'll teach you well, including the different things you'll need to know about your 5 line and 4 line kites, which, incidentally, will have pretty close to the same windrange.

Hint: if you ask for advice on here and then ignore comments from knowledgable people, eventually you'll stop getting good advice at all.


are you saying that private instructors don't teach well??? or that private instructors aren't decent?

NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
24 May 2011 8:50pm
chelles888 said...

Hi wheels, im sure you are keen as mustard to get out there and learn BUT paying $400 aint going to do it safely, you'll just be paying some guy who thinks he knows what he's doing but really just wants to earn quick dollars, then you'll be sent packing on your own and when your put in a sticky situation you will panic. I know everyone is different and if you still choose to take the cheaper option then i hope it serves you well but for me speaking with experience as still very much a newbie, i wanted to get into the sport so badly i did it on the cheap and had a few instances i would of rather avoided and could of been prevented if i waited, saved that bit of extra cash and got the BEST VALUE out of my lessons. Safety is worth spending money on, afterall its not just you, you have to worry about, whilst the more experienced will stay out of your way other beginners may not be able to. It sucks being winter right now, i was just getting into it but now could be the time you watch, read, learn and save, then as soon as the season kicks in hit one of the schools up for lessons. If your serious about the sport you'll be patient cause i'm telling you it will pay off. I will be going to AKS or Woodys to redo my lessons beginnning of the season as I feel i wasted my time with the cheaper ones elsewhere. I would recommend them both and whilst i dont know them all that well the dealings i have had with them have been valuable. SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY is worth every dollar you spend so please avoid the cheap where possible:0) Good Luck Wheels and I hope to see you out there in the new season:0)


chelles..

he's talking about private instructors, not people who are mates teaching mates. There is a difference. I remember you were all enthusiastic and saying your lessons were awesome a few months back as I remember your posts frothing on how good your instructor was. Times have changed?? You have little experience really to be advising anyone except yourself.

for the record I'm and ex school manager and instructor. You really cant say safety is a problem just by paying an instructor 400$, it just means that the middleman is cut out. It depends on the instructor and his/her background. I bet if you were offered a great instructor for 50 per hour who has taught at a top school you would jump at it chelles. yes or No? It's not about avoiding the 'cheap' it's about avoiding people who think they are instructors but have not had school experience and results. Also for the record I'm not interested in doing lessons. I enjoy kiting too much.
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
24 May 2011 10:57pm
djdojo said...

Destroying your kites and saving a few bucks on lessons is not even a false economy: it's no economy.

Go to a decent school who'll teach you well, including the different things you'll need to know about your 5 line and 4 line kites, which, incidentally, will have pretty close to the same windrange.

Hint: if you ask for advice on here and then ignore comments from knowledgable people, eventually you'll stop getting good advice at all.


djdojo
Get over it,.
I purchased 5 line and and 4 line so i could learn both and compare the difference and also to be confident in both so i can make an educated decision when it comes time to buy new kites and when traveling i can then chose either
I dont want any advice from negative idiots full of them self and i appriciated Nobs comments as they seemed the most down to earth.
Next you wiil be telling me theres only one brand of kite that i can use and if i disagree with you i be risking not getting any more of your great advice,

Hint,try to lighten up a bit
toddws
toddws
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
27 May 2011 5:31pm
Hi wheels
The advice DJ was giving you was pretty on the money.
The reason that the majority of school are closed at this time of year is that the conditions are pretty crap to learn in. All the instructors worth their salt have either migrated further north, or are overseas teaching, Phil at safety bay, WAsurf, runs some lessons but the suitable days are few and far between.
Worth having a look at Darren from AKS's article on winter kiting as things can go wrong really quickly even for experienced kiters in winter .

www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Winter-Weather-Warning-for-new-Kitesurfers_2879690.aspx


Save your money until the October add another $200 or so and get proper lessons from one of the recognised kite school.

The other advantage is most of the kite schools use the headzone system, so you can get instruction from the beach though the waterproof head phones in the helmet. This alone doubles the rate of progression for the average student.

You will learn quicker in better conditions, and so you'll get better value for money, which is what you were looking for anyway!
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