Why does everyone hate Cabrihna Kites?

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Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
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QLD, 24 posts
4 Mar 2011 9:36am
Hi Guys,

I'm obviously new to the sport and noticed a general dislike of Cabrinha Kites, why is this

Cheers,
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
4 Mar 2011 10:34am
djdojo gave me a good explaination IMO back in this thread;
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/Another-NOOB-in-Brisbane-kit-advice/

Quote;
"Lots of tools with board leashes, no skills and bad attitudes ride cabs and often put them in trees but lots of skilled kiters ride them too. There are more negative instances with cabs than other brands simply because there are a lot more cabs, especially switchblades out there. Of course the negative incidents get the publicity. Nobody ever says, "oh, did you see that guy on his switchblade, he just pumped up, launched in the designated area and kited skilfully and respectfully for two hours before packing up and going home." It happens, you just don't hear it.
Don't listen to the haters. SBs are a superb allround kite." Un-quote.


I ignored all the bullsh#t you hear on here about cabs, did some of my own research, and took the advice from my instructor (yes, the shop did stock Cabrinha among other brands) and I decided on a Cab for the quality, safety aspects, resale value and the fact that the switchblade is an easy kite to fly.
The fact that they are so popular and there are so many around only added weight to this. I truly believe this has helped my progression come along in leaps and bounds since starting less than 4 months ago. Sure, I probably would have progressed similarly on another brand of kite, but the Cabrinha is working for me now and I have no issues with the kite or regrets thus far.
Ignore all the bullsh#t!

IMO it doesnt matter what brand of kite you decide on. When your starting out it doesnt matter anyway, providing the kite is suited for your ability (i.e a beginner). And every brand has a kite these days specifically targeting the beginner market. Delta's, hybrids, C kites, Bow kites, bridles, non bridles......who gives a toss!!!!
You will develop your own likes / dislikes over time that suit you, your ability and your style of riding.....

As long as your getting out on the water and enjoying the sport




Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
4 Mar 2011 12:55pm
Possibly because the most active dealers sell Cabs so they sell more kites and more noobs have Cabrinha kites.

Therefore, if you see a noob or a kook stuffing up then they are statistically more likely to be on a Cabrinha, so more Cabrinha kites are likely to end up in trees.

My kook radar is more attuned to old C kites, old kites in general, and strange, possibly cheap brands.

There is also the anti-kook where an extremely skilled rider does tricks right in the middle of everybody.

More recently I have noticed kooks appearing on BWS (Ben Wilson) kites. Probably good kites but the cheap price has delivered a heap of them into the hands of the unskilled.

My personal nemesis is the almost good rider. Usually some clown with a North kite and a surfboard. They can ride well enough to get themselves in the way, but not well enough to keep out of the way of everybody else. Perfectly good waves often go to waste because almost-good rider cannot ride comfortably on toe side so they can't slash a wave that is begging to be annihilated.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
4 Mar 2011 1:57pm
I reckon about 80% of the kites I've seen in tree's are cab's whilst they don't quite hold 80% of the market share.

I think the big reasons are newbies entering the sport tend to buy what they see other people riding because they don't know how to make an informed decisions yet - if they see most people riding cab's they assume its the best kite and buy it. That means more newbies on Cab's vs other brands but as people progress they tend to look and experiment more with other brands so you tend to see people slowly filter out to other brands. Also lots more Cab's from the initial bow kite explosion where the majority of bow kites were Cab's so newbies entering the sport are advised to get bow kites and there tend to be more second hand cabs.
Trant
Trant
NSW
601 posts
NSW, 601 posts
4 Mar 2011 2:49pm
It also doesn't help that Cabrinha were the first brand to stop making C kites and produce only bow kites, thereby forever branding themselves as "for Noobs".

(not necessarily true of course, but at the time real men used C kites and only C kites)

sbray
sbray
SA
350 posts
SA, 350 posts
4 Mar 2011 2:57pm
Saffer said...

I reckon about 80% of the kites I've seen in tree's are cab's whilst they don't quite hold 80% of the market share.



Saffer,
That's a large leap in statistical logic that you are using in your opening statement.

i.e. Your personal view of "kites in trees" is a very narrow window of indicator when comparing to a "Market share"

Is the "Market share" only for those kites that you view or is it the market distribution wordwide?

If you were an extensively travelled person associated with the kite industry, viewing kiting action across the world, that would add weight to your evidence comparing a global market to Cab incidence with trees.

If the comment was intended as humour, all the better

If it is merely anecdotal conjecture, then it is adding fuel to an unwanted scare campaign and "brand bashing".

A better statistical survey would be to find (as accurate as possible) how many kiters initially purchased a Cabrinha and consequently were dissatisfied that it did not fulfill its purpose and hence changed brands, vs. those who stayed with the brand and moved to a different type of Cabrinha kite to achieve their new objective.

I recon that Cabrinha would be curious about the result of this survey.

Also, I would be reasonably pleased if I owned a kite company that didn't "quite hold 80% of the market share" of world sales.

I am happy to disclose that I am a Cab owner.

I thoroughly enjoy the humour and quick wit attached to the Cabs in trees topics.

As I said (tongue in cheek), in a previous quote;

"We Cab riders are thick skinned......it helps with scratches from the trees

Fossil







Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
4 Mar 2011 2:58pm

too early or....................?
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
4 Mar 2011 6:53pm
To offer a practical answer for Skyrapist (even though I still think you'd do well to consider a name change), as a beginner you will be fine with a cabrinha if you're thinking of getting one (convert, switchy or crossbow all fine for beginners, though steer clear of the nomads).

If, in a few seasons you want a balls-out C-kite and cab still aren't making one, then that will be another question. But if, as your name suggests, you are looking for big jumps then any higher aspect efficient kite such as cab crossbow or Ozone Edge will serve you well.

But for now, work on the basics using a basic kite, whatever the brand.

Incidentally in my last several sessions at Brighton the kooks on Norths have outnumbered the kooks on Cabs.
Skyrapist
Skyrapist
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
4 Mar 2011 6:06pm
Actually just purchased a new 2010 Naish Charger 9m (for $900 i might add) so happy with that over a cab. Was just curious if i ever go to purchase one in the future.....

Thanks for all the comments guys, much appreciated.

GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
4 Mar 2011 9:06pm
Saffer said...

I reckon about 80% of the kites I've seen in tree's are cab's whilst they don't quite hold 80% of the market share.


Is that you RSC?
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
4 Mar 2011 11:36pm
I've only seen three kites in trees ever. They were all Naish so that's 100%.
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
5 Mar 2011 12:25am
I ride cabs and even I dislike Cab riders. ha

Great, user friendly kite. Highly recommended. This is why noobs use them. This is also why they cop so much crap. Some times it tough being popular
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
5 Mar 2011 10:17pm
Some good points here, some sensible comments and some outlandish claims with made up statistics.

Cabs are great kites to teach on, learn on and get good quickly on because they are stable, powerful and moderately priced. They have had a pretty consistent product since 2006 when the SB and the Crossbow were released.

The anti Cab sentiment in my area stems from the reluctance of some Cab riders to recognise their limitations and then proceed to kite in big winds on big kites and get into trouble. These are usually on Cabs because Cabs wind range is so huge and noobies tend to ride Cabs.

Also new Cab riders (generalisation) seem reluctant to trim their kite correctly and develop a poo stance which inhibits progress and leaves the noobie in the noobie stage a lot longer. This could be because the "depower" or trim adjustment setup is out of reach for all but the orangutan riders.

As for Cabs in trees, I have seen more Cabs in trees than other brands at my local. But then again I have seen more Cabs in general because the local shop is a Cab importer.

The stereotypical noobie uniform around Caloundra is a Switchy, bucket hat, gloves, sunnies, reel leash, seat harness and a poo stance. Nothing negative about that it is just the profile of the average new participant. Mid to late 30's, cashed up, slightly unfit/overweight and very very enthusiastic. The shops have a ball with add-on sales, therefore the unnecessary accessories.
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