Why does my kite always dive in a back roll??

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Odkite
Odkite
QLD
106 posts
QLD, 106 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:11am
Hi All,
Been trying without success to do backrolls lately. i'm getting pretty frustrated because i feel i'm doing all the right things but my kite keeps diving for the water after i've landed!
So yeah i'm completing the spin ok and landing it, but every tie my kite is either looping or just plumetting into the water.
kite is an ozone C4, both 12m and 9m.
I've been putting my hands in the center of the bar to avoid turning the kite and holding the kite as high in the window as i can before any momentum is lost.
Any ideas??
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
14 Jan 2013 9:39am
This is because you are used to sending the kite to 12 or even passed 12 every time you jump. No need to send the kite anywhere to do a backroll. Focus on keeping the kite steady at 10 or 2 and backroll without pulling the kite up above your head. If you back roll while sending the kite above your head, you not only have to focus on stopping the kite from going too far on the other side, but also have to send it back the other way by steering hard on the front hand during the rotation. Not sending the kite will work on correct technique and Pop, which will help a lot for future tricks as well.
Odkite
Odkite
QLD
106 posts
QLD, 106 posts
14 Jan 2013 12:26pm
Cheers mate, i'll give it a go. think i've had the kite about 10.30-11. i though there wasn't enough lift if i had the kite lower. when i've tried it like that i seem to get pulled down wind and hit the water before i complete my turn. ah well practice practice.
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
14 Jan 2013 1:40pm
cbulota said...
This is because you are used to sending the kite to 12 or even passed 12 every time you jump. No need to send the kite anywhere to do a backroll. Focus on keeping the kite steady at 10 or 2 and backroll without pulling the kite up above your head. If you back roll while sending the kite above your head, you not only have to focus on stopping the kite from going too far on the other side, but also have to send it back the other way by steering hard on the front hand during the rotation. Not sending the kite will work on correct technique and Pop, which will help a lot for future tricks as well.


^^+1
Use pop to get height for your backroll, dont raise your kite.
www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/How-to-do-a-backroll_3454511.aspx
Once you have got it sorted doing it in this way, then you can start sending the kite for more height, doubles etc.
StKKiter
StKKiter
SA
85 posts
SA, 85 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:19pm
Also try taking your back hand right off the bar, it will stop you sending the kite.
Odkite
Odkite
QLD
106 posts
QLD, 106 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:57pm
StKKiter said...
Also try taking your back hand right off the bar, it will stop you sending the kite.


cool, thanks guys! i'll give it a crack.

I've also noticed i have alot of slack on my outer lines and just read something on here about a shortening adjustment under the foam, so i'll give that a goo too, might be related a little.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:33pm
Odkite said...
StKKiter said...
Also try taking your back hand right off the bar, it will stop you sending the kite.


cool, thanks guys! i'll give it a crack.

I've also noticed i have alot of slack on my outer lines and just read something on here about a shortening adjustment under the foam, so i'll give that a goo too, might be related a little.


Yeh see it all the time on people flying ozones as the are no knot setting on the pigtails ,people don't think of looking under the floats, is go one knot at a time, as the difference imo is very noticable with handling, get a feel for it before you practice your tricks
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
14 Jan 2013 6:00pm
Shortening your back (outside) lines by adjusting your leader lines (bits under foam), will give you more bar pressure and help with pop. But, it will also give you more direct steering. This means that if you've been sending the kite up to or past the zenith on a trick, there is more chance of doing this with more direct steering. It feels unnatural to take your back hand off when backrolling, though this may fix the problem. You could try what I do when backrolling with a board grab. Take your front hand off (grabbing the board will help with this) and move your back hand so 2 fingers are either side of the centre line. This will help keep the kite in position and also help you to bar in for a bit more pop.
Odkite
Odkite
QLD
106 posts
QLD, 106 posts
17 Jan 2013 10:05am
BurkeyBoy said...
Shortening your back (outside) lines by adjusting your leader lines (bits under foam), will give you more bar pressure and help with pop. But, it will also give you more direct steering. This means that if you've been sending the kite up to or past the zenith on a trick, there is more chance of doing this with more direct steering. It feels unnatural to take your back hand off when backrolling, though this may fix the problem. You could try what I do when backrolling with a board grab. Take your front hand off (grabbing the board will help with this) and move your back hand so 2 fingers are either side of the centre line. This will help keep the kite in position and also help you to bar in for a bit more pop.


yeah the steering feel might be more direct, but i think it could help because at the moment, when i pop up i can't feel where the kite is through the bar, having that feel might make me more aware of what i'm doing as i roll. anyway might try it, see how it all goes. aloshoudn't blame the setup too much, might just need more work on the skills
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