Wind Range - how do I know.

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puppetonastring
puppetonastring
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2 Mar 2013 10:24pm
Kite cos. publish the wind range of every kite out there. Almost always with disclaimers that it depends on a whole heap of things.
The advised wind range is "average".
The disclaimer leaves it as great unknown.
So how can any newb be sure of what's what?
And more importantly how can you be certain that on any given day your kite is appro for the conditions?
Again. Here is another major body of info inadequately taught in lessons. Why? No idea - it's simple.
Following on from the post on "trimming your kite". Read that first.
After you launch in fully depowered mode move to your take off point with kite at 12.
With bar fully out - if your rear lines are already as tight as the front lines then you are overpowered. Your kite is too big for today's wind. Pull it down ASAP.
If back lines are bowing out you need to trim in. If you adjust your trim straps or cleat line to maximum allowance and the rear lines are still not straight & as tight as your front lines then the wind is too light for your kite today. It's quite safe to give it a go if you are keen but remember that your kite may not respond as asked. U
You are underpowered - not necessarily your fault.

This won't help you decide on the kite size you need to buy but it is the acid test of whether your kite is right for the day.

Don't break this test procedure rule until you are fully aware of why it & how it can be side-stepped by those skilled enough to kite safely outside these boundaries.

Kite Safe - always.
zarb
zarb
NSW
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NSW, 703 posts
3 Mar 2013 8:35am
Thanks puppet, very helpful.

puppetonastring said...

If you adjust your trim straps or cleat line to maximum allowance and the rear lines are still not straight & as tight as your front lines then the wind is too light for your kite today.


Is the bar still all the way out during this step? Or will the steering lines ideally only be as tight as the front lines with the bar sheeted all the way in?

MDSXR6T
MDSXR6T
WA
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3 Mar 2013 11:12am
Maybe its down to me being a noob (so im probably wrong) but where does the riders weight come in to play?

If a 10m kite is over powered for a 80kg bloke and he drops down to an 8, what does a heavier bloke at 110kg do? Does he still use an 8 as well?

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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WA, 3619 posts
4 Mar 2013 1:38am
zarb said...
Thanks puppet, very helpful.
Is the bar still all the way out during this step? Or will the steering lines ideally only be as tight as the front lines with the bar sheeted all the way in?


Yep bar out.
When rear lines are almost as straight & tight as your front lines with the bar out then the test is to pull in the bar about 50mm. This should make all lines = tight. Thats when your kite comes into power & steering mode.
Just remember that throwing your bar away is your No. 1 emergency tactic. If the back lines dont go loose then your kite is still powered when you are wanting everything to stop. If the back lines go loose when you push out half way you are kiting with only half the power adjustment available.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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4 Mar 2013 1:14pm
MDSXR6T said...
Maybe its down to me being a noob (so im probably wrong) but where does the riders weight come in to play?

If a 10m kite is over powered for a 80kg bloke and he drops down to an 8, what does a heavier bloke at 110kg do? Does he still use an 8 as well?




Nothing wrong in that ? at all. Very good one in fact.
The kite trimming rule is an essential skill all kiters should learn & adopt. But it is a guide to correct flying. As you learn & progress much of what you learn and practice becomes intuitive. As you develop your own style you will naturally learn what works for you and apply practices to suit.
As a beginner it is essential that - when things don't go as planned - throwing your bar brings the action to a stop. To have that level of safety available to you then the back lines need to come out of the equation ie slacken off.
Your weight in relation to the kite is a critical issue but an entirely different one.
Learn safe - it won't hold u back.
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
4 Mar 2013 1:39pm
Puppet,

Do I hear you advising newbies to put their kites up fully depowered to determine if its appropriate wind strength? I think that's a bit like telling someone to touch a hot exhaust to see if it's hot.

Here's the tip newbies. Your kites manufacturer is generally pretty close to the mark with their stated wind ranges (check on their respective websites). The wind ranges are set for a rider of about 80 kilos and average experience.

Usually a 10m kite with an 80 kilo rider will have a wind range of around 15-25 knots. For every 10 kilos of body weight, you add/drop 1sqm of kite size. ie, if you are 100kg and the wind is 20 knots, you need a 12m to do the same work that a 10m will do for an 80kg rider. Simple! If you are 60 kg, you'll need a 8m to do the same work as a 80kg rider on a 10m in 20 knots

DO NOT put your kite up to find out if it is too windy for you! If in doubt, ask a more experienced rider their opinion and cross reference this with seeing what sizes everyone else is out on.

DM
zarb
zarb
NSW
703 posts
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4 Mar 2013 6:24pm
Normally I just look at what other people are flying on the day, then go up another kite size because I am a fat f*ck

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
5 Mar 2013 12:13pm
AKSonline said...
Puppet,

Do I hear you advising newbies to put their kites up fully depowered to determine if its appropriate wind strength? I think that's a bit like telling someone to touch a hot exhaust to see if it's hot.

DM


Yeah DM I can see from re-reading you could take it this way if you didnt think at all or werent at all aware of the variables.
But obviously not suggesting trimming as way of testing any size kite . I should have included details on 'assessing kite size for the day first'.
What I was trying to get across was the need & use of trimming your kite "once you have picked an appropriate size"
It is astounds me how many kiters - fresh out of school & even years beyond that - dont understand the effective use of the trim system which every kite makes available.
Launching on full depower is a basic rule of safety everyone should practice - as is keeping your kite on full depower ANY time you are off the water.

Spotted a guy struggling & dragging his kite back upwind the other day. (at least he was doing the righty by having it seaward). Casually mentioned that it might be a bit easier if he depowered.
He said "Yeah my bars right out".
I said "Yeah but your trim is fully powered"
He said "What"
I said "Pull that little red toggle thingy - it might make things easier"
He did then walked a bit then said "Holy S**t - wish Id known about that - Ive been battling back upwind for over a month".
He was a month out from a 'legitimate' school instruction.
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