Winter windy kiting, Northern suburbs (of Perth)

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craigu
craigu
WA
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WA, 24 posts
8 May 2012 1:51pm
I'm relatively new to kiting (i.e. can't even get up on the board yet) and want to get as much practice in as possible before the next season arrives.

I know (or at least have been told) the winter is not suited to beginner kiters because of squalls, gusts, wind blowing the wrong direction, etc, etc. Therefore, are there any locations around Perth that can be kited in relative safety throughout the winter?

My main aim is to be up on the board and changing direction so i'm not wasting time when the improved conditions begin next season.

Locations towards the Northern suburbs would be preferred as I live about 40mins North of the city, but I am williing to travel to Safety Bay, for example, if the conditions are consistent throughout the winter.

Cheers for any advice
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
8 May 2012 2:15pm
Just wait it out, Yesterday and today are a good example of what winter is like.
There may be less windy days but they tend to have a lot of West in the wind making it harder to leave the beach if inexperienced.

Try going up north for a holiday, think its still windy up there without the squalls
Subculture
Subculture
443 posts
443 posts
8 May 2012 2:45pm
Maybe not what you want to hear Craig but the advice you have been given is sound. If you read your post, you will agree that just as much as the lack of kite and board skills, you have a lack of local conditions and more importantly, a lack of meteorological knowledge.

Here's the way I see it. Many people grab their gear and go 'kiteboarding'.. a much smaller percentage are actually 'kiteboarders'...
It is vitally important to understand the weather. Without a really good understanding of all aspects of the weather, you really are at its mercy - especially in winter.

Everyone on here will understand your enthusiasm to get going, however an injury sustained (to yourself or third party) through an ill informed decision could end your kiting career before it starts - or at least set it back massively. You could even get a beach closed too…

To quote you, don't look on the learning experience as "wasting time". All of your experiences with a kite are invaluable and ultimately are what help you make safe or unsafe decisions on any given day.
In hindsight, the days you spend learning are likely the ones you will look back on with the best memories; the day you cracked that board start, first time you didn't lose ground downwind, etc...

You will not find a safe and accomplished kiter who does not have a very good understanding of the weather. I'd start there if I were you.

Drop into one of the two kite shops in Scarborough (AKS, Woodys) and ask a few questions, you'll learn a lot and it could save your bacon..

Patience, although rarer with every new season, is priceless. Stay safe!
craigu
craigu
WA
24 posts
WA, 24 posts
8 May 2012 3:19pm
Some good points well made there Subculture.

Looks like my time would be better spent studying meteorology for the next 5-6 months rather than supermanning in a force 10 gale which I failed to see coming.

Thanks for the advice folks.
the walks
the walks
WA
448 posts
WA, 448 posts
8 May 2012 4:04pm
you can actually improve all the skills required by going down on any of the fantastic winter days and watching
rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
8 May 2012 9:27pm
I started kiting beginning of last December. The learning experience was an absolute blast through the summer! Yes there were some frustrating moments but noticing progression in your board starts or going upwind makes more than up for the frustration!

I am now comfortable going upwind and getting some good transitions in. However I still will not attempt to go out in winter on days like yesterday.

Don't think of the learning curve to be wasted time. It is great fun!!! and in my opinion it would be a lot more enjoyable in summer because you will feel more safe and there will be more people there to help you out when things go pear shaped...

I can't wait for next season to starts on my backrolls and better transitions!
May I ask you, when did you start? and were you able to get some lessons before the end of the season?
craigu
craigu
WA
24 posts
WA, 24 posts
8 May 2012 11:22pm
rickwindt said...

I started kiting beginning of last December. The learning experience was an absolute blast through the summer! Yes there were some frustrating moments but noticing progression in your board starts or going upwind makes more than up for the frustration!

I am now comfortable going upwind and getting some good transitions in. However I still will not attempt to go out in winter on days like yesterday.

Don't think of the learning curve to be wasted time. It is great fun!!! and in my opinion it would be a lot more enjoyable in summer because you will feel more safe and there will be more people there to help you out when things go pear shaped...

I can't wait for next season to starts on my backrolls and better transitions!
May I ask you, when did you start? and were you able to get some lessons before the end of the season?


I had my last lesson (set of 3) around March, bought some second hand gear and got out a couple of times mostly practicing kite control and body dragging. unfortunately I've not had much experience with getting up on the board, hence my enthusiasm to be out in winter.
danw
danw
WA
163 posts
WA, 163 posts
11 May 2012 8:06pm
I recommend tucking away your kite. Better to wait for the next season, where days to practice are ample. With this weather you'll be lucky to get out once a month.

Take the stress off your mind from checking the seabreeze everyday and do something else you enjoy. Winds will be here this summer, and I promise you it will be a better experience.

Side note, good on you for getting into the sport, lots of ppl talk about it few do. Welcome to the club :D


Daniel
Danmurphys
Danmurphys
WA
231 posts
WA, 231 posts
15 May 2012 3:16pm
My first winter came after I had only just got moving on my board. I only went out with experienced kiter mates who could supervise me and teach me about frontal kite skills. More than often I asked questions and just watched from the beach but after a while I got it sussed and scored a few great session.

Don't be overly keen and rush it when ever the white caps are out. You can still learn heaps without getting in the water, like your first few lessons. When all the planets line up there are still the occasional epic days from now on. Never go out without an experienced buddy, or further than you can swim, and always wait for fronts to pass. If it starts to get really gusty keep your kite low and if you see a big black front in the distance don't mess about and get back to the beach and your kite landed asap.
BoardGirl
BoardGirl
QLD
248 posts
QLD, 248 posts
15 May 2012 5:29pm
Hey in the same boat, had lessons got my gear, although I understand the meterology stuff (years of dinghy sailing), westerlies aren't that fun to be in anyhow, cold, gusty etc.

Do what I am doing and come to Fiji with a kite company. PM me if you want more details.

Warm water, steady winds (fingers crossed), safe locations for beginners and a kite instructor, what more could you want!
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
16 May 2012 1:52pm
here's a good bit of advice. if your kiting and all of a sudden all the experienced guys haul arse to the beach and land.... so should you.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
16 May 2012 1:53pm
if the good guys are flying 6's and 7's and you only kite is a 12....not a good idea
don't put up a kite bigger than the experienced guys!
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
18 May 2012 1:11pm
Hi Craigu,

There have been a lot of sound replies above and you seem to be heeding the warnings, I'd just like to add a few comments which may be of interest.

Winter winds are definitely kiteable when you have the experience. Gaining the experience takes time to develop your understanding of the feel sight and sound of what's normal and what's not. Often you see things which, without experience don't ring alarm bells when they should. Looking to see what kites others are on is not necessarily accurate. Some very experienced kiters can hold very large kites down in extreme winds. Look at Ruben Lenton on his 9m in 40 knots for the most obvious example.

Westerly winds although steadier than frontal winds are not only difficult to get off the beach as a beginner, but also tend to make the ocean extraordinarily choppy. Anyone who has kited Pinnaroo in a strong Westerly will attest to the pounding of the knees in the chop and that getting a small patch of water to load up for a jump is almost impossible. On days like this it is actually more fun not to kite.

Frontal winds are so unpredictable even when you know what you are looking at, that as a beginner with little experience you barely stand a chance. The unpredictability and gustiness of the wind make the kite fly very erratically and will most likely leave you wondering if your lines are trimmed right or that it may be something you're doing wrong. At the early stages of learning, this doesn't progress your kiting and can in fact set you back a bit.

A better bet is to grab a trainer kite if you have one and spend the time flying it to death. It will ingrain into your body the feel and sight of how it all works, if you are getting on the board, grab a skateboard and head to an empty car park by the ocean and practice controlling the kite as you roll along. You can practice going upwind, downwind, cross wind and managing gusts. It's not exactly the same in terms of the board, but the kite side is identical.

DO NOT USE your inflatable kite for land practice as you will destroy it.

Bottom line is, don't rush it, accident potential goes through the roof learning kiting in winter. Instead, watch You Tube video's, watch the Progression DVD's, fly a trainer kite, hang out with other kiters and watch what's going on. When the wind comes back in September/October you'll be miles ahead and ready to smash out a serious progression session with knowledge and some skills.

A Winter on crutches wont help your kite progression.

DM
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 May 2012 12:39pm
Good to see so many opting on the safe side here.
Certainly good advice and Im sure Id be the last to advise anything remotely dangerous. It certainly was the case in the past that winter kiting was extremely dangerous if you werent at least at the intermediate level.
BUT
If you have the 'right' late model kite, and the right size for the conditions, then dont let the message of NEVER kiting in winter put you off on the good safe days.
As long as everything is right beginners who are aware enough of the conditions around them & can recognise whats coming can pick the days to keep kiting (on those odd occassions) through winter.
Certainly dont ignore the cautions. Winter winds can be fickle & punishing if you get it wrong. But on the right days it can also be as safe as any summer day.

We are very spoilt in Perth with our 'Freo Doctor' breezes but kiting is practiced (safely & otherwise) all round the world at places that dont even know what a seabreeze is .
Assess your skills accurately and kite with caution. And YES certainly never when its at all 'wild'. But dont necessarily miss the sweet days in the right places just because you are not shredding yet.

BUT - always good advice for newbs - always remember the most dangerous place to fly your kite is on the beach. So many new kiters have this belief that "I wont go anywhere near the water till I know how to fly this kite"
WRONG WRONG WRONG
The ONLY place to learn to fly your kite is ON the water (or in it?)
Water is softer - its further away from hazards - the wind is always cleaner etc etc. Dont be fooled into thinking you are playing it safe by practicing on the beach - and even moreso in winter. IT IS NOT SAFE PRACTICE.
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