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dafish
dafish
NSW
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22 Jun 2011 7:10pm
Hey all, first time poster, been lurking for some time though...
Question: been having trouble getting my 9mt slingy rev2 to zip to the front of the wind window when I get too powered up. Was out today (very lonely in the cold gusty westerly) and the wind was 15knr to 25knt. Should have been able to control the kite better and in the end I pulled the pin after 40 minutes of equal joy and frustration.
A few details:
I am 50 years young
Been surfing for 39 years
Been kiting just over a year, 85kilos but short and short arms, (not really overweight but built like like an ox, good fitness level)
board I road today was an Underground Tahee, 141x42
Level of experience, can ride up wind easily, can jump about 4 to 5 meters up, ride toeside, transition easily, and even downloop transition when everything is just right.
Now this part isn't the best, but it is what it is.
I have three kites, all different.
07 12mt Rebel
08 11 Gk sonic (which I learned on)
and the 09rev2

Out of all of them I like the slingy best, in the ocean (on a twintip, haven't gotten confindent enough to ride a surfboard) goes great and love the way it turns. Jumps well too, (sometimes too well for me just yet)
But on a day like today I just could not control this in 25+knots no matter how depowered I was. I feel for my weight I should have been able to kite these conditions.
Both other kites will race to the front of the wind window and can be controlled reasonable well even when overpowered.

I have checked the p/lines and have learned a ton here on this forum about them and maintaining them, they are set correct and in the ocean seems to indicate that its so as it performs and holds its shape. (didn't at first because the previous owner had replaced one of the plines with the earlier revs which are longer, fixed that and was sorted.)

Now, I will take any advice given and look at whether or not its me, or the kite, conditions, or a combo of all.
Thanks for taking the time to read through this very long first post, appreciate any help in this awesome sport. I really am addicted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps I live and ride around the Jervis Bay area, great spot for everything....and I consider myself very very lucky as the summer noreaster spot is just down the street from me.


Dan Fletcher
Dan Fletcher
NSW
114 posts
NSW, 114 posts
22 Jun 2011 11:09pm
Hey dafish,

Simple answer:
- Get a smaller board
- Edge harder

It sounds like we're at a similar skill level. I have a slingshot rev2 9m, and absolutely love it . I've flown it from 15 knots to 33 knots, and at 67kg and previously on a 130x39 twintip, i find that i start getting overpowered at 25 knots. From 25-30 knots my legs burn from edging so hard. Over 30 knots is frustrating and dangerous (for me). I find that the 9m actually flies reasonably far forward in the wind window, which makes it relatively easy to edge out the power and control speed, and gives the kite a decent wind range.

Here a few tips that have helped me to control speed:
- Ride slower (although this is useless if you're already going fast )
- Edge upwind immediately after a water start
- Get a smaller board for those high winds. It seems that a 141x42 is too big for that wind and kite combination (most people at your weight ride a circa-135x40cm board as their 'everday' twintip)
- Commit to a really hard edge. It might take a while to stop or slow down, so just keep edging. If you know how to do a slide transition, try and adapt that technique to controlling speed. i.e. instead of stopping you just slow down.

Hope this helps. Good luck.
dafish
dafish
NSW
1654 posts
NSW, 1654 posts
24 Jun 2011 9:04am
Hey thanks dude, all good advice. Sliding transitions are no problem, I think you are right about smaller board and edging. I do have a smaller board with dual concaves, should have been out in that, but... this place that I go to in a westerly is a drift launch and a major pain to get in and out. I plan to make myself a weight and float and take the boards out first about 50 meters or more away from the shore (still waist deep water) and tie them off before going to launch my kite. Its a hairy place to launch and I have had a couple of hot launches on me there, so I am always trying to perfect the launch technique that I have read about here on these forums. Thing is, once you are out there and your kite is flying, there is no rest or swapping out. You go til you are tired, land the kite in the water and flag it out, and hope you can wrap the lines without a big rats nest. The place is actually great to ride, but there is never anybody there and its cold...I am actually stoked that I have somewhere to ride in any wind direction. It just has to blow!
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Cheers
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
24 Jun 2011 8:37am
DJF said...

Hey dafish,

Simple answer:
- Get a smaller board
- Edge harder



Ditto to dafish.
When you are getting to top end on a rev you really have to lay back against it to keep the kite forward. But they will go there if you pressure them - no problem.

Havent ridden either of your other kites so cant comment on comparisons but as a general rule the bigger the kite the harder it is to pull it up to the front so Im a bit puzzled on that score.
Its also early days - it keeps getting better for quite a long time after you feel you are getting it all fully dialed. Sounds like ur doing really well.
Dont put off the surfboard. I fell into that trap thinking I didnt want to go thru a whole other learning curve but so was annoyed when I found how easy the transition was. Just mix it up; TT > Surfboard back to TT; for a while to get over any frustrating times.
dafish
dafish
NSW
1654 posts
NSW, 1654 posts
24 Jun 2011 11:16am
Thanks Puppeteer, appreciate the advice. I know the surfboard is really where I want to head (being a long time surfer but too old school for tow in escapades), and have been practicing bit by bit. The riding is easy, transitions are HARD! Will keep at it though. I am having so much fun jumping, its tough to stop and work on the other.

When I say the other two kites move forward when edging, I am using them in a more moderate wind range, say from 14 to 20 knots max. They behave well. I guess by the advice given above its more about my edging technique and board size in stronger winds will make a world of difference. I think too that I am in too much of a hurry to be where I want to be progression wise, and feel I should just be able to do it!

On a side note to the surfing side of things, I saw the Ben Wilson shots of cloudbreak, and I can tell you, I surfed there in my prime 20 years ago with a couple of dudes you might have heard of, they both had different measurements for how big it was. Brock Little called it 15 foot, a very young Shane Dorian called it 20 foot. I called it HUUUUUUUGe and scary. Caught some epic waves, and caught the worst beating of my life all in the same hour. Later that session we had to rescue a guy who went down and came up virtually dead, and I did my first and only cpr on the dude. Ended up back on Tavarua working on him for four hours before the heli landed to take us to Latoka where he recovered. He since then became a very good friend.
Seeing Ben on those waves is nothing short of amazing and I can't get my head around being able to kite a wave like that. It is impressive beyond words.

Thanks for the tips, will keep at it!
Prawnhead
Prawnhead
NSW
1317 posts
NSW, 1317 posts
24 Jun 2011 12:23pm
hey fish you said you checked the p-lines but it doesn't hurt to fold the kite in half at home and check all the line lengths against each other!!
maybe even check the line lengths on the bar as well
i have an old rev 9 and it"s starting to get a bit agricultural in its performance due to repairs /fabric stretch etc
might even be victim of the wicked westerly here on the east coast
may sound strange but the 25 knot westerly is nowhere near as "clean" a wind on the east coast as a 25 knot nor easter etc as a general rule ... normally lumpy bumpy on again off again turbulent as it comes off the ranges and sometimes the gust range is much higher
get a 7 and an (unstrapped) surfboard .. toeside is just a 400 m bottom turn!!
dafish
dafish
NSW
1654 posts
NSW, 1654 posts
24 Jun 2011 6:29pm
Hey Prawn,
I did my lines on my bar a few weeks ago and they all checked out. To your suggestion, I did fold the kite and the bridal and plines are all equal. They are starting to twist though, so I am going to order another set and replace them and use the current ones as backups. I bought some dyneema lines today to make up new attachment points, just going to start replacing things are are looking a bit tired.
Really, I think the kite is fine, just need to work more on my technique and use the smaller board.
Thanks for tip on folding the kite in half, that was easier than taking measurements which is what I did before...easy easy!
Prawnhead
Prawnhead
NSW
1317 posts
NSW, 1317 posts
24 Jun 2011 8:41pm
after a few mishaps with a new kite i do it now with every kite..no telling how many beers/drinks/pipes mr/mrs one long duong has had the night before at the kite factory assembly line.......and who wouldn't!!
cheers
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
25 Jun 2011 3:03pm
dafish said...

Hey Prawn,
I did my lines on my bar a few weeks ago and they all checked out. To your suggestion, I did fold the kite and the bridal and plines are all equal. They are starting to twist though, so I am going to order another set and replace them and use the current ones as backups. I bought some dyneema lines today to make up new attachment points, just going to start replacing things are are looking a bit tired.
Really, I think the kite is fine, just need to work more on my technique and use the smaller board.
Thanks for tip on folding the kite in half, that was easier than taking measurements which is what I did before...easy easy!


The twist in your P lines could be causing the kite to turn when you sheet out in gusty winds.
Makes it a scary ride so sounds like a new set of P lines would be the go.
dafish
dafish
NSW
1654 posts
NSW, 1654 posts
4 Jul 2011 4:36pm
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to thank you all for the tips, went out today in similar but slightly less windy conditions, 15knt to 25knt, very gust west norwest. Rode my 12m rebel and used a smaller board and it really did make a huge difference. Got a bit O/C a few times but it would really pull up when edged ultra hard. Gives me more confidence for the future. Not a fan of the westerlies, but hey, I would rather head out than stay at home. Managed a couple of really sweet forhand carved downloops and the smaller board really made an edging difference there too. I had the kite fully powered the whole time, should have trimmed it a bit during the gusty bits, but its not easy to trim it back to full power when it dies off as the kite wants to fall away when pulling and loosening the trim. One part of the north 07 rebel that I am not a fan of.
cheers guys (and or gals)
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