do i need to get a different kite?

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brettasmith
brettasmith
QLD
16 posts
QLD, 16 posts
12 Jun 2011 10:32am
I have a Best nemisis hp 09, that i have been struggling to learn with, unfortunatly i did not do my research before buying this kite and didnt realise it is not really a begginers kite...

so i was wondering would something like a kahuna be better to learn on, or should i just keep practicing..and get more lessons?
NSW, 4382 posts
12 Jun 2011 1:47pm
If you are confident that you know how to use the safety system on your kite, can body drag upwind and can rig properly rig and relaunch your kite from deep water, then you probably do not need more lessons and will just be spending money unnecessarily.
Many people experience a period of slow learning and frustration, you are not alone.
There are still dodgy money hungry schools and instructors that do not tell you that the main thing you need to learn is good kite control, and that the best way to get that "kite control" is with the use of a trainer kite.
If you are lacking confidence and crash the kite without really knowing why, then you need more time learning "kite control".
Getting another kite surfing kite now will most likely not make your learning easier if you lack confidence or any of the above mentioned skills.

How much do you weigh, where are you based and what size board do you have?
brettasmith
brettasmith
QLD
16 posts
QLD, 16 posts
12 Jun 2011 6:24pm
iam on the sunshine coast and have been practicing up at lake weyba, i weigh about 85kg and my board is 136 x 41 cardboard.. (nemi is 12m)

deep water launching etc. is not an issue as its waist deep up there.
i also have an air rush trainer kite that we usually take camping up noosa north shore so i have had plenty of practice with it.

my main issue may be my setup? i know weyba is prone to gusty condtions, but one minuite i can be overpowered.. next thing the kite falls out of the sky!.. even tho everyone around me seems to be carvin it up.

still trying to get the upwind riding down too. its exhausting walking back out afer every second or third run.
NSW, 4382 posts
12 Jun 2011 7:13pm
brettasmith said...

iam on the sunshine coast and have been practicing up at lake weyba, i weigh about 85kg and my board is 136 x 41 cardboard.. (nemi is 12m)

deep water launching etc. is not an issue as its waist deep up there.
i also have an air rush trainer kite that we usually take camping up noosa north shore so i have had plenty of practice with it.

my main issue may be my setup? i know weyba is prone to gusty condtions, but one minuite i can be overpowered.. next thing the kite falls out of the sky!.. even tho everyone around me seems to be carvin it up.

still trying to get the upwind riding down too. its exhausting walking back out afer every second or third run.


Gusty winter west winds are not helping you for sure, just make sure that you are not pulling in on the bar too much and killing the speed of the kite, don't try to ride upwind as soon as you get up, ride downwind a bit first, then edge upwind, and don't edge so hard that you slow the kite and power too much.
There are kites that have better bottom end and may handle the gusty conditions better, something like a new/used Switchblade from 2008 onwards, Waroo, Core GT, etc.
When you do get up and ride drop your forward hand off the bar and just hold the bar with one hand near the centre and then you will be able to look more in an upwind direction. Both hands on the bar and on the ends of the bar, pulling in on the bar, and poor stance is guaranteed to send you downwind. Forward hand off the bar opens up your shoulders, allows you to look upwind - so don't look at the kite too much or you will end up going in that direction (downwind).

Kite luffing and falling out can be reduced if you keep more pressure on the rear lines and don't leave the kite still overhead, keep the kite sining slightly from left to right at all times, with slightly higher rear line pressure when you are walking and water starting.
Keep practicing you will crack it.

brettasmith
brettasmith
QLD
16 posts
QLD, 16 posts
12 Jun 2011 10:49pm
thanks for the advise!.. i will will keep trying!.. i havn't tried the one hand technique yet, will give it a crack next time.

i do like the nemisis,..maybee as i get better ill appreciate it even more.

also the kite is still rigged as standard..(AB) is it any benifit to play with the settings? like AA for fast response AC slow turning etc.
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
13 Jun 2011 12:47pm
There would be no real advantage changing the rear settings at the moment. AB setting is the general ride setting for most conditions. There are multiple settings for different styles of riding and also different wind strengths.

AB - standard ride settings for all round riding.
AA - Allows the kite to turn faster on a tighter pivoting turn. Ideal for wave riding.(although the Nemesis is'nt the greatest wave kite). Bar pressure is lighter.
AC - Slows the kites turning, increases bar pressure, and creates a large arc turn ideal for wakestyle riders who want minimal kite turning and also better in gusty, lighter wind conditions. Bar pressure is heavier.

Hope this helps

Joe
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
14 Jun 2011 1:06pm
Kitepower's advice is pretty spot on. Lake Weyba is known for being gusty so that won't help. It sounds like you may be a bit overpowered also. Really try and find that sweet spot where the kite sits nicely and you can control the power using the bar as you gradually lean back and start to edge. Like has been said, you do have to head downwind first and let the kite "fill". The nemesis isn't a bad kite and should be fine to learn on. Most beginners, once they get going, usually upgrade their kite after 6 months or so and you'll find your riding really progresses. Stick at it and do research/test ride kites before you upgrade. Unfortunately with these winter conditions, it could be a while before you get a chance of consistant wind where you can progress, patience is the key. Enjoy.
Gwendy
Gwendy
SA
472 posts
SA, 472 posts
16 Jun 2011 6:52pm
brettasmith said...

thanks for the advise!.. i will will keep trying!.. i havn't tried the one hand technique yet, will give it a crack next time.

i do like the nemisis,..maybee as i get better ill appreciate it even more.

also the kite is still rigged as standard..(AB) is it any benifit to play with the settings? like AA for fast response AC slow turning etc.


How are you body dragging if you havn't tried one handed?
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
19 Jun 2011 7:39pm
Hi mate, If you are unsure or do not have confidence with your kite I would most definitely try a different kite (I know that George at Noosa has Kahoonas). Get a demo and see if it helps....if you can rig your kite and self launch at lake Weyba (drift launch) I do not think you need more lessons.

If you like PM me your phone no and I can help get you sorted next time I,m home.

good luck, Mick
brettasmith
brettasmith
QLD
16 posts
QLD, 16 posts
19 Jun 2011 9:20pm
Hey Mick thanks for the offer, I'm pretty confident with drift launching after a lesson with George, I am going to get down there put a bit more practice in. I guess I just expected to pick it up a bit quicker
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