heelside to toe side

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wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
2 Mar 2012 2:15am
been kiting for 3 months and on a directional board trying to learn heelside to toe side at moment,I have been piloting the kite slightley towards 12 at start of turn and then pulling hard on bar in the new direction when facing down wind,this seems to pull me throught the turn ok but i am not able to stay on the plain just after the turn even when i am working the kite,could be poor toeside tech but feels like as i have driven the kite down for the turn that i then have no power available quick enought to maintain enought speed,any tips from what others have found when leaning this would be greatley appreciated.
suniboy21
suniboy21
VIC
1090 posts
VIC, 1090 posts
2 Mar 2012 8:00am
Head more down wind to generate speed, toe side tends to grab a lot more edge then heelside.
Enjoy
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
2 Mar 2012 11:17am
This has been well covered previously but for the sake of interest....

I spend half my kiting life riding toe side

When learning to drive into a toes side turn, it helps to have a decent bit of wind to start.
Have the kite pretty low before you turn it over and follow it around in the turn.
The reason you're bogging down is because you have too much weight on your back foot. Also, force you back foot way behind you and, if you're in straps, lift the heel of your back foot to get the weight onto your toes.

You'll need to controling the kite with one hand so as to get your hips around.
A sliding spreader bar helps enormously.

They are few good videos on this on the interweb, just google it.

I'm sure I've left out a few details but these are the manin points
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
2 Mar 2012 11:56am
A common problem is that you are heading downwind in the turn to early and too far and the kite has no power to pull you through the full turn. ie the kite loses a lot of power when heading downwind and often will even stop turning, leaving you half way through the movement and dead in the water.

I find that edging hard in the direction you are initially heading and turning the kite aggressively to head back the opposite way at the same time will set you up so that the turn downwind on the board and the movement of the kite across the window through the power zone happen simultanously. Heelside to toeside carves are not generally done by sending the kite overhead - keep the kite low or even do a downloop.

As a snapshot I start my turn on my board, with the kite already heading back the way you want to go and about to enter the power zone. You should then be able to bend your knees and carve hard against the pull to toe side and exit with heaps of speed.
jwins
jwins
VIC
28 posts
VIC, 28 posts
2 Mar 2012 3:06pm
Thanks for the help Paradox and Kit33er. I've been having the same problem, exiting the turn toeside and losing all of the power from the kite. I think I need to start turning the kite a lot sooner and more aggressively before I turn the board. I should also aim to keep the kite lower, I guess...

Will watch the Progressive DVD for a refresher on this before my next sesh, as well...
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1614 posts
WA, 1614 posts
2 Mar 2012 1:59pm
The difficulty in this is the timing and coordination between the amount of edging and the power you get from the kite. Just like your first water starts were easier in stronger winds, you'll find the toe side transition to be much easier in stronger winds as well. Also, in general, riding toe side requires more power (stronger winds). By going too much downwind or too much upwind in the transition you might find it doesn't work either way. As mentioned in previous comments, sending the kite fast in the new direction the key, but more important is to progressively edge the board on the new toe side edge as soon as the kite starts to develop power in the new direction. It's mostly a "feel" thing that's difficult to explain as this timing and coordination will vary in almost every turn depending on kite movements, wind strength, riding speed, edging, etc.
IanR
IanR
NSW
1346 posts
NSW, 1346 posts
2 Mar 2012 8:25pm
To sum up what cbulota is saying
The key to a heelside to toe side transition is keeping consistent power in the kite as you turn down wind and then back to cross wind
The more power in the kite the bigger and wider the turn
Less power the turn needs to be tighter and smaller the turn
Finding the balance between the radius of the turn of the board and power in the kite is the key
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
2 Mar 2012 8:34pm
Dragging your back hand can add stability too.




That's me on a wave that looks bigger than it is.
arwilson
arwilson
QLD
24 posts
QLD, 24 posts
2 Mar 2012 10:54pm
nice pic Kit33R - Wheels might also like to have a go at turning the kite via an inside loop (where you will have to spin the bar as you exit) rather than the "usual" outside turn.

The difference is that in the inside loop, most kites will want to fly straight through the power zone, rather the over the top.

It may be a scary maneuover at first - but trying using it on heel to toe & toe to heel transitions in lighter conditions - and you will enjoy the difference !
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
2 Mar 2012 9:07pm
Thank you for all the positive info and will try to send it a bit earlier maybe at start of turn instaead of middle of turn which i have been doing.Thanks again
bobajob
bobajob
QLD
1535 posts
QLD, 1535 posts
3 Mar 2012 5:19pm
Try jamming it real hard on a twinnie and you can lose traction and backslide...good fun But you need to keep a hand in the water to keep balance (or at least I do).
Haven't been able to do this on the sb, must be the length of rail in the water... or maybe I'm getting old and not trying hard enough. Anyone else been able to backslide on the sb?
fournbergs
fournbergs
NSW
17 posts
NSW, 17 posts
6 Mar 2012 9:41am
I had lots of trouble with this too. The thing that help me was practicing a toe to heal side carve first. I found them heaps easier. Slide to toe side and then send the kite in the other direction and carve. It's easier because you can lean back against the kite. enjoy.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
6 Mar 2012 4:33pm
KIT33R said...

This has been well covered previously but for the sake of interest....

I spend half my kiting life riding toe side

When learning to drive into a toes side turn, it helps to have a decent bit of wind to start.
Have the kite pretty low before you turn it over and follow it around in the turn.
The reason you're bogging down is because you have too much weight on your back foot. Also, force you back foot way behind you and, if you're in straps, lift the heel of your back foot to get the weight onto your toes.

You'll need to controling the kite with one hand so as to get your hips around.
A sliding spreader bar helps enormously.

They are few good videos on this on the interweb, just google it.

I'm sure I've left out a few details but these are the manin points


To make the transition to toe side more punchy -
Bear away a bit to gain maximum speed before initiating the transition from heel side to toe side, dive the kite at the water and then turn it over from water level. It will come round real fast. Pull in hard with the bar and be prepared to be whipped around. (You can actually launch yourself out of the water by doing this for added fun) Put your back hand in the water, lift the heel on your back foot and transfer weight to your back toes, push hard. You'll come round nicely toe side. If you do this whilst hitting a small wave you can really deliver a mean transition onto the wave face.
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