how dangerous are knots in your lines?

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kitesRfun
kitesRfun
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
14 Dec 2010 4:05pm
How dangerous are knots in your lines? (no pun intented...)

That's pretty much it

I bought a second hand 07 naish kite, which so far has been awesome. I'm just a touch concern with the knots in the lines. There is about 4 knots all together.

Should I spring for some new lines?

Also do new lines on an old kite make a difference

Thanks
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
14 Dec 2010 7:30pm
Get them out as soon as possible. Knots will weaken your lines considerably.
The method i use with the most success is to sit down with a beer (or 4 given the number of knots you need to work on) and then work the knot between your teeth and allow it to soak up the saliva. With a bit of work it should loosen up and you'll be able to untie the knot.

As for if you should replace your lines or not. I would recommend removing the lines then taking a photo of the area that did have the knot in it so we can see if the line has been damaged by either the knot or the process of removing it.
NSW, 4382 posts
16 Dec 2010 6:23pm
As Koma said knots will weaken the lines considerably, by up to 50%!!

Knot removal method, no beers required, although you may want to have one to congratulate yourself afterwards!

Get a "ball peen" hammer, find a hard and shiny surface, smooth shiny quarry tiles, polished metal, etc.
Soak the line with a mix of water and detergent, and gently tap the knot with the ball end of the hammer, rotate the knot a bit after each tap with the hammer.
After several or a dozen or so taps the knots should have softened and expanded in size, this is the sign that you have been tapping with the correct force and that the knot is loose enough to be undone by hand.

After you remove the knot completely, inspect the line for excessive "furriness". If there is a lot of furriness then replace the lines, but this method does not damage the line if done carefully and on a shiny smooth surface.

The method is how knots are removed from ropes, but they use much larger hammers, especially on ship sized ropes!!!
Windmill
Windmill
VIC
33 posts
VIC, 33 posts
17 Dec 2010 1:48am
I have always used a cup of boiling water and the flat side of the meat hammer (my kitchen always turns into a make shift shed). Dip the knot in the boiling water for 30 seconds then bash it (gently) with the flat side of the meat hammer. Only ever takes me a minute or so and the knot is gone.
Jared888
Jared888
WA
389 posts
WA, 389 posts
16 Dec 2010 11:04pm
Great info the soaking and tapping with BP hammer worked a treat for me.

Further question if I may

Bridal lines I have one connection to kite LE that the outer sheath or layer of the string has come away exposing the inner core of the string that is not damaged.

I have just taped it together for now its on a 14M cab switch is it esential to replace or wait till it breaks completly. can these bridals be purcahsed easily

Cheers and thanks
NSW, 4382 posts
17 Dec 2010 9:22am
Jared888 said...

Great info the soaking and tapping with BP hammer worked a treat for me.

Further question if I may

Bridal lines I have one connection to kite LE that the outer sheath or layer of the string has come away exposing the inner core of the string that is not damaged.

I have just taped it together for now its on a 14M cab switch is it esential to replace or wait till it breaks completly. can these bridals be purcahsed easily

Cheers and thanks


If you are sure that none of the inner core is damaged, then just tape it up as you have with some waterproof tape and make sure it does not continue to wear through the tape.
This happens most often on the bridles that connect at the LE and that get dragged
when you self launch.
It is possible to purchase a new complete bridle, but not many dealers will have them in stock. It is much easier to make a new bridle leg (we can do this for any kite)

Jared888
Jared888
WA
389 posts
WA, 389 posts
17 Dec 2010 7:03pm
Kitepower Australia said...

Jared888 said...

Great info the soaking and tapping with BP hammer worked a treat for me.

Further question if I may

Bridal lines I have one connection to kite LE that the outer sheath or layer of the string has come away exposing the inner core of the string that is not damaged.

I have just taped it together for now its on a 14M cab switch is it esential to replace or wait till it breaks completly. can these bridals be purcahsed easily

Cheers and thanks




If you are sure that none of the inner core is damaged, then just tape it up as you have with some waterproof tape and make sure it does not continue to wear through the tape.
This happens most often on the bridles that connect at the LE and that get dragged
when you self launch.
It is possible to purchase a new complete bridle, but not many dealers will have them in stock. It is much easier to make a new bridle leg (we can do this for any kite)




Thanks will look you up when it come to that but for now cheers for the confidence I will continue to use and be a bit more careful where I launch
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