kite surfin in waves; kite down help!

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salt
salt
VIC
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VIC, 617 posts
2 May 2010 12:48am
What do u do if your kite goes down in surf?


Here's my first day experience in surf. Having a blast , then:

I overshot my kite, it fell into the water.
A wave got my kite and i was dragged around a bit, very unnerving experience.
The donkey dick popped out unexpectedly and i was only connected by my secondary emergency.

I detached myself completely from my kite as it felt dangerous to be connected.
It was so water logged it was retrieved but had a few holes in it.

So, a little advice and instruction would be appreciated.

thanks.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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1 May 2010 11:49pm
Having a nice stable kite with good relaunch cirtainly makes life easier.

Not sure what you are riding but work on your relaunch a bit maybe? You have to be reasonably well drilled and get the sucker airborne pronto.

Relaunch can be a tricky thing if the swell is pushing you towards the kite of course, hence stable kites that drift back after a wipeout or luff whatever make it easier also.
salt
salt
VIC
617 posts
VIC, 617 posts
2 May 2010 2:01pm
as soon as the kite went down a wave got it, i had no time to relaunch. I was a bit underpowered too, which i know now is bad news.

What i really want to know is the 'what if scenario" and what to do.

"what if " your kite is eaten by a wave, what are the steps you should be prepared for.

jackgearo
jackgearo
NSW
331 posts
NSW, 331 posts
2 May 2010 3:57pm
unhook and then if u are getting pulled too hard to hang onto let go....then have ur hand on the release that lets everything go for if the kite is stiill pulling u around.... get washed in and redo lines
Poida
Poida
WA
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2 May 2010 10:33pm
i found the kite was a real dog to relaunch once it gets rinsed in the surf, even though it is quick to relaunch normally. just extra weight of a wet kite and no wind on the inside in the impact zone. this is a real drama if you are a long way offshore. not so bad if its a beach break near the shore. I found having a surfboard was a real plus in these situations compared to a twintip. if you still have the kite its so much easier to self rescue sitting on top of a surfboard.
salt
salt
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3 May 2010 3:10am
cool thanks, i will remember that.

one other thing: i never wear a leash due to the dangers when riding my twin tip, is different for a surfboard (when in the surf)?

Just bought a sweet 80's Oke surfboard off Ebay for 80 bucks! score! 5'8" (i'm only 65kg)







getfunky
getfunky
WA
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3 May 2010 11:24am
"Strictly for rippin" classic.

Yeh salty, no matter what gear you ride we all find ourselves in that dreaded situaion of dropping your kite right in front of a liquid freight train sooner or later.

As you progress you get better with kite control and reacting quicker to stacks (so that you're kite doesn't end up in the drink). Then you get a bit better - push the envelope more with riding on the edge of control - and start stacking your kite into waves again.

In the event of having the kite 'catch' a wave on my 5th line Cs I used to bail to the 5th straight away so that the kite had minimum resistance (and shape) to take the force of the wave.

On my bows it doesn't make much diff as the bridle holds the kite in shape (perfect to grab a whole wave and shred to pieces) but I try to swim with the kite if it gets dragged to minimise the oomf. If the drab is big-time (and so is the wave) I have bailed out completey - releasing the kite. I ride small-ish beachies mostly so I can make it to shore pretty quick and get to the kite. However, if you are in big stuff way out it might not work for you?

You are correct to bail if you feel you will get rolled in your lines etc though.
salt
salt
VIC
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3 May 2010 3:51pm
thanks man, i solemnly swear to 'Strictly rip it' from now on.
getfunky
getfunky
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5 May 2010 12:23pm
Hey BTW in the mid 80's a mate of mine had a green OKE board that looked exactly like yours in shape. Fat rails. thin-ish slightly scooped pin tail. Went like a rocket in the Portsea surf compared to my old twinny i can tell ya.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
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5 May 2010 1:29pm
Three rules for kiting in waves.

I: Don't drop the kite.
II: Don't drop the kite.
III: Don't drop the kite.
salt
salt
VIC
617 posts
VIC, 617 posts
5 May 2010 5:45pm
they are good rules, it really wasn't windy enough on the particluar day my accident happened but i was desperate to go out ... i know beeter now. And probably will take a life jacket next time.

Did someone mention (on a 4 line kite) pulling in the De-power to change shape to make it "less catchy" on a wave, should i ingrain this into my memory?
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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5 May 2010 4:37pm
If the kite is on the water facing away from the wave (as the buttered toast or falling cat would garauntee) unless you bail to one line a 4 line kite will pretty much act as a giant scoop which will very efficiantly harness the power of the wave (and shred to bits). If your weight is hanging off the 4 lines the kite will hold too myuch shape - even at full depower on the bar.

Don't forget Tighty's rules.

I'd add: Don't drop in as the 4th.

No wait make that 5th. 4th would be don't drop the kite. Gotta heed that advice myself.
Paradox
Paradox
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7 May 2010 10:17am
Ultimately if you drop the kite into a wave with no chance of a quick relaunch you are risking damage and drama no matter what you do. But the advice on flagging to one line and minimising pull is about all you can do. Detaching completely is probably best if you are sure you can retrieve it and no other swimmers etc around.

Accordingly tightlines and Funky's advice is spot on. Do not drop the kite in the waves. Rinse and repeat this mantra.

Keeping the kite powered and in the air takes precedence over having fun on a wave face. Sad but an essential part of kiting in waves, and not something you automatically do when first playing in waves. You cannot just surf like you do without a kite, you need to adjust.

This is a hard lesson to learn especially when you barrelling down a nice wave, but you have to pay attention to the kite and move your board and kite together to ensure you do not overfly or drop the kite. You cannot just forget the kite once you are on the wave - unless you are perhaps in 30kts.

If you feel there is not enough wind and you don't have the skill or experience not to drop the kite. Don't go out unless you are prepared to come back with a damaged kite.

It is a learned skill and the one that IMO makes wave kiting a lot harder to get good at than flat water kiting.
salt
salt
VIC
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7 May 2010 5:48pm
thanks for your post Paradox, i will heed your advice.
what does "IMO' mean?
blekk
blekk
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11 posts
7 May 2010 6:00pm
IMO = In My Opinion
QLD, 481 posts
6 Jun 2010 10:44pm
Dont drop the kite is great advice, but Paradxos advice is great to, if you cant get it up quick get rid of it . Get a life jacket or impact vest to start off with if your a bigginer in bigish surf it could save your life and also makes for better confidence
Have Fun
George


GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
7 Jun 2010 8:20pm
tightlines said...

Three rules for kiting in waves.

I: Don't drop the kite where you can't relaunch
II: Don't drop the kite when you can't disconnect in time to minimise the damage to the kite
III: Don't drop the kite any time you can't swim in (if you would not swim in any size surf, don't kite in it)


fixed that for you...
Gone to dark side
Gone to dark side
NSW
394 posts
NSW, 394 posts
8 Jun 2010 2:47pm
This is what I have come up with on one of my swims in. Kite goes down in the surf you are not able to get back up you have time before you get into the killing zone .Instead of releasing your safety and having to swim in why not releases your harness and let the kite pull it in and even hold onto the back handle till you think you will do damage to your kite then let go.
I have found trying to swim with harness on very hard + weight + the harness acts as a sea anchor as you try to swim in. And if it’s a good idea why not starts trying to make harness that can releases quicker.
Hope this helpes.
richswing
richswing
WA
724 posts
WA, 724 posts
13 Jun 2010 10:41pm
In light conditions and if your kite is either dropping down on the window or basically sitting with the trailing edge on the water grab an arms length up the front lines and pull. As long as your lines are taught you should do a suicide relaunch but as long as you catch it before the kite gets swamped. It is all about the angle of attack.

The key thing that I have noticed is always keep your lines tight and you should always be able to control your kite. If you see your kite starting to drop change course to tension lines, if you get washed under your kite atleast make sure you pull on the bar so that the kite will fly out towards backline rather were the breaking zone is.

Cheers
Rich
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
14 Jun 2010 6:05am
GalahOnTheBay said...

tightlines said...

Three rules for kiting in waves.

I: Don't drop the kite where you can't relaunch
II: Don't drop the kite when you can't disconnect in time to minimise the damage to the kite
III: Don't drop the kite any time you can't swim in (if you would not swim in any size surf, don't kite in it)


fixed that for you...


I thought it sounded better before you " fixed it" kinda hit the nail on the head I thought
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
14 Jun 2010 2:38pm
^^^^
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