kitesurfing with dodgy knees

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DocAnimal
DocAnimal
ACT
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ACT, 2 posts
30 Jan 2011 3:03am
Just taken my third lesson and managed to get to the stage of standing up....if only relatively briefly! Now at the point of committing to gear.
My main concern before this bigger commitment is a history of bad knees, a result of sticking with high level rugby for too long in my younger days. I've had two reconstructions, and though I'm quite young some residual arthritis slows me down. Its to the point where I struggle with squash, touch footy or basketball, and even jogging for any real distances can get me in trouble, esp the next day. Just how tough is kitesurfing on your knees? Would it be comparable to "change of direction" sports such as squash (worst), straight jogging (better), or cycling/skiing (best). Its interesting that I don't seem to have trouble with skiing as the forces/weight changes seem more gradual as you turn and snow is softer than roads/ground. I guess I am hoping the fact kitesurfing is on water rather than hard earth might also make things gentler on dodgy knees. I'm not talking about really choppy conditions, waves or jumping - just typical riding at speed. I've been ok so far but really haven't gotten up for long enough to tell. Does anyone else who also has dodgy knees have some advice/experience? Also, what boards would provide the best support/protection for my case?
Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
30 Jan 2011 8:48am
Hey DA
Its a common list of previous injuries to your knees, look for a super flexi board and good straps, less pop but as you say your not looking to jump. (yet)

A hard/stiff board will pound your knees even in the smallest chop.

A big danger to look out for is loosing one foot out of a strap and the board twisting the other leg/knee still attached.

Just remember, No pain = No gain
hunter074
hunter074
QLD
69 posts
QLD, 69 posts
30 Jan 2011 9:35am
Get some good quality joint formula, the one that combines Glucosamine and Chondroitin together. It does take about 6 weeks to feel any benefits as the formula builds up in your system. Many older kiters swear by it.

Good luck
kiter zac
kiter zac
QLD
295 posts
QLD, 295 posts
30 Jan 2011 7:19pm
you could always try strapless surfboards, something different too which also requires a different technique of kiting. could always progress to that anyway
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
NSW, 527 posts
30 Jan 2011 9:30pm
agreed^^ strapless surfboard is the best for bad knees and ankles
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
30 Jan 2011 10:07pm
Jedibrad said...

agreed^^ strapless surfboard is the best for bad knees and ankles


Have to disagree with the surfboard idea. A large flat surface that doesn't penetrate the surface through the chop will belt the hell out of your knees. The only way you stay on a surfboard without straps is with very bent knees so you ride mostly crouched in chop at speed which works your legs like a skier doing moguls.

I suggest riding something like a Cardboards Tyro. Generous double concave and plenty of flex gives it a ride, (as a customer explained to me the other day), like a Cadillac.

Super smooth, no harshness at all and easy and fun to ride even in the worst chop (Pinnachop).

Cheers,

DM
NSW, 1613 posts
31 Jan 2011 12:10pm
Riding strapless is a great idea to reduce strain on your joints. I'm currently awaiting a reconstruction to my knee after snapping my ACL. I'm still happily riding at a reasonably decent level with a Neoprene sock and a CTI knee brace. Its really going to come down too what type of riding you will be doing and in what conditions. Kiteboarding can be as little strain as going for a gentle walk or as tough as a game of Union.....if you play league you might as well be a pole monkey JK.

Alex
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
31 Jan 2011 12:50pm
I've always had issues with my knees due to shock and vibration resulting in patellofemoral pain, which wasn't an issue for my first couple of years kiting but was aggravated by a stiff board and pushing myself too hard and in the wrong ways.
I used to get the same pain whilst skiing if i spent too long on T-bars and pomma's.
When i started getting serious issues to the point of not being able to walk up stairs after a session, i bought myself a surf board and started riding strapless but didn't find it helped at all.

How tough is kitesurfing on your knee's?
Freeriding and cruising; you'll just have to deal with the chop and the load on your knees from going upwind. Not too much stress.
General boosting & jumping; not too much trouble as long as you get a gentle controlled landing and not a 'drop like a stone' landing.
Freestyle, wakestyle or 'powered riding' will probably end up hurting. The harder you push, the more load and more stress you'll put on your knees and the rest of your body for that matter.

You'll want a board with a reasonable amount of flex in it and some nice and cushy pads. The pads will take out the small harsh vibrations, the flex will smooth out the larger chop. The combination of the two will minimise it as much as possible. Once you've got the board of your choice you'll also need to spend a bit of time playing with the stance width and duck options. I found that i had my stance set too wide (i'm 6'3" so assumed that widest was best), and too much duck in my stance. There's a few threads around about knee pain and setting up a board, so it's worth a search.
sohk
sohk
QLD
79 posts
QLD, 79 posts
31 Jan 2011 1:01pm
AKSonline said...

Jedibrad said...

agreed^^ strapless surfboard is the best for bad knees and ankles


Have to disagree with the surfboard idea. A large flat surface that doesn't penetrate the surface through the chop will belt the hell out of your knees. The only way you stay on a surfboard without straps is with very bent knees so you ride mostly crouched in chop at speed which works your legs like a skier doing moguls.

I suggest riding something like a Cardboards Tyro. Generous double concave and plenty of flex gives it a ride, (as a customer explained to me the other day), like a Cadillac.

Super smooth, no harshness at all and easy and fun to ride even in the worst chop (Pinnachop).

Cheers,

DM

I smashed my knee years ago! and for some time i could only ride strapless on a surfboard!!!!

Just the stance on a twintip was enough to agrovate my injury!!!!!!

so im fully going to have to disagree!!!!!! definatly try strapless it kept me riding!!!
jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
QLD, 796 posts
31 Jan 2011 10:13pm
I started with quite a stiff board (135 Balance) It was a nice board to ride but after a good session my dodgy ancle and knee would give me grief. I have since changed to a Xenon Laluz 132. If your wanting to ride a twin tip, this board is perfect as is has super flexi tips that soak up most of the chop and seems to help take the pounding off your joints.
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
NSW, 527 posts
31 Jan 2011 11:19pm
it's the freedom you have to put your feet at any angle you like on a surfboard thus taking pressure off the knee when needed

also re chop u can ride slower if u want to due to flotation
DocAnimal
DocAnimal
ACT
2 posts
ACT, 2 posts
5 Feb 2011 1:26am
Thanks for all the tips guys.
Was advised by instructor to have a go at wakeboarding to hone board skills so went out to Penrith Cable Wakepark and had a couple of hours or so where I was comfortably lapping the circuit by the end - good fun! Interestingly my knees were fine (on a flat dam admittedly).....Couldn't say the same for the upper body which is still wrecked - was missing that harness! Anyway feeling quite confident to put the board and the kite together now with my own gear. NOt sure how it fits with advice but I ended up getting a twin tip board, a great second hand deal I couldn't resist on a 138cm Underground FLX. From what I can gather this has quite a bit of flex and so I hope should go through waves ok and be reasonably easy on the knees?
Hunter074, I already get into the glucosamine and its great stuff. If Im having issues I will do what I do for bushwalking and pop an anti-inflammatory (meloxicam) before I go out. Probably not medically advisable but.......life is for living right?!
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