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junglejim1971
junglejim1971
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23 Mar 2015 10:59pm
ok so i am getting lessons tomoz, am i wasting my time and money doing this because from what i read the kiting season is over, its too late for me now lol i paid yesterday if the season is over shouldnt the school in say melb have a cut off time for lessons or they just after my cash knowing the season is over and i will need more lessons when the season is back on

Cheers

James.
flyingcab
flyingcab
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23 Mar 2015 11:12pm
The season of good wind is over in maybe a month or so, so you will still get a bit out of it.
However, winter does not mean you cannot go kiting, you just need to be more aware of the forecast and what can happen.
Someone posted a link on the same topic recently if you have a scroll through you might find it

EDIT: I dug them up for you
www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/Winter-Weather-Warning-for-new-Kitesurfers_2879690.aspx

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/Important-winter-kiting-info/
don't take offence by the noob stuff


And some videos highlighting essentially winter
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Winter-Kiting-2/
ripper sessions, unless you don't know how to read the weather
tomme
tomme
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475 posts
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23 Mar 2015 11:19pm
junglejim1971 said..
ok so i am getting lessons tomoz, am i wasting my time and money doing this because from what i read the kiting season is over, its too late for me now lol i paid yesterday if the season is over shouldnt the school in say melb have a cut off time for lessons or they just after my cash knowing the season is over and i will need more lessons when the season is back on

Cheers

James.


hey Jim,

I kite year round, winter can be great because there are less people about and then you can be miles ahead when summer comes around.
junglejim1971
junglejim1971
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124 posts
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23 Mar 2015 11:50pm
yeah i found those but the vids i hadnt come across so thanks for all your advise and help I am learning heaps
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
26 Mar 2015 12:35pm
Every region has their "off season" options.
Last year we had the right gear and got out average 3 times a week.
We kited a lot of gusty offshores in rivers & LW days but we got out and
cut sick.

I'm sure u can find the spots in your area if you use google maps and ask
the right people. We tried heaps of bum spots before coming across the
most consistent areas for crazy wind directions.

I'm going for a 14.5m Ocean Rodeo Flite as my LW Kite this year and
All the prodigy's for the rest of the kit. I have done 8kts on the 12m with a 159 TT & favourable water.
Not too many tricks though so the 14.5 will change all that.

Stick with it you'll find the right crew\gear\spots eventually if you stick at it ;)
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
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26 Mar 2015 12:52pm
The dodgy van operators along side the Esplanade on StKilda will 'teach' you in any condition, even in dangerous ones.
skywalker3d
skywalker3d
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26 Mar 2015 7:07pm
Loftywinds said...
The dodgy van operators along side the Esplanade on StKilda will 'teach' you in any condition, even in dangerous ones.


You are a w#nk#r...
RideLikeAGirl
RideLikeAGirl
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42 posts
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26 Mar 2015 7:09pm
Loftywinds said...
The dodgy van operators along side the Esplanade on StKilda will 'teach' you in any condition, even in dangerous ones.


qld commenting on vic instructors?
flyingcab
flyingcab
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26 Mar 2015 10:34pm
Loftywinds said..
The dodgy van operators along side the Esplanade on StKilda will 'teach' you in any condition, even in dangerous ones.


Beat it Fernando. I heard tropokiterepairs will use knitted wool for canopy and leading edge repairs.
junglejim1971
junglejim1971
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29 Mar 2015 9:17am
if they are dodgy where is the best place to go for lessons in melb
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
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29 Mar 2015 1:33pm
junglejim1971,

As with most students, it may take some time to learn this sport and therefore at this time of year there may not be enough safe and reliable windy days to ensure you progress far enough i.e. until you get comfortable riding on the board. When winter comes, as others have mentioned, you should stay away from kiting as a beginner as frontal winds can be very dangerous.

That being said, your first and second lessons are the most important and should teach you the fundamentals of safety and independence, which you can remember for next season.

There are so many schools to choose from these days and it can get hard to dissociate them from one other, especially when words like ''qualified'' ''certified'' ''IKO standards'' ''safe'' ''professional'' are being thrown around and written down on every websites...

As a general guideline, if a school is pushing you to do group lessons they are probably more interested in making money than teaching you to be a safe and independent kiter. You may save a little bit of money per hour with group lessons, but you will learn half as much and this is really only profiting the school, NOT you.

Also, If a school tries to convince you you'd be up and riding and a completely independent kiter in just 4-5 hours of lessons regardless of your background and skill level, you should be worrying about the quality of lesson and your ability to go kiting safely by yourself after your lessons are over.

Look for a school who's priority is NOT only about teaching you how to kite but also teaching you how to become a kitesurfer, one that is capable of practicing the sport safely and independently once the lessons are over.

Things that are often overlooked from poor quality lessons are:

-Risk and location assessment (kiting regulations, location analysis, wind direction and strength, kite size selection, etc.)
-Independence in setting up a kite (I have often seen students finish multiple lessons without even setting up a kite alone once as cheap schools often pass the kites around from one student to another to ''save time'').
-Understanding and practical use of safety systems
-Recovering your own kite in emergencies (Emergency self-landing)
-Practical self-rescue in deep water (no assistance)
-Independence in deep water kite launching from various kite positions/scnearios
-Competence in board recovery using upwind body drag

So when you finish your lessons, ask yourself if you're able to do all those, or at least the majority of those?

Good luck,

Christian
Jimbobfredjack
Jimbobfredjack
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24 posts
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29 Mar 2015 6:02pm
junglejim1971 said...
if they are dodgy where is the best place to go for lessons in melb


They are not "dodgy" he is just an idiot trying to troll. I had great lessons and also great after lesson support from KR.

Cbulota makes some good points.

If you are able to drop what your doing and go kiting whenever it's blowing, lessons before winter could work.
If you are like most of us and always seem to work on the windy days you probably won't get enough water time before winter kicks in.
Katz
Katz
VIC
131 posts
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29 Mar 2015 10:22pm
I learnt through winter- its fine. Great having lots of space.

Have a small kite, pick your days, plan on shorter sessions, take advice on the beach, and get a good wetsuit and booties.
junglejim1971
junglejim1971
VIC
124 posts
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30 Mar 2015 5:45am
yes KR went through everything you mentioned and my lesson was one on one,

we spent 1.25 hours on their 8m that was the only available kite left from their stock and it was quite windy on the day and then we spent the last 45 mins on my 12m kite as the wind died down a little so i was happy with both the lesson and the review on my kite.
junglejim1971
junglejim1971
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124 posts
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30 Mar 2015 5:47am
I have a 3m parafoil trainer that can pick me off the ground on a windy day, do you think that could do the job. I do know once it has been in the water its over lol
Watto5
Watto5
WA
87 posts
WA, 87 posts
30 Mar 2015 8:50pm
It's worth searching the forum on the subject of trainer kites, and the pros and cons of using them.
My view is that any time spent flying a trainer will teach you about kite behavior and kite control. It will develop confidence and shorten your learning time. It's also pretty good fun on a typical winter (gusty and frontal) day.

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flyingcab
flyingcab
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31 Mar 2015 12:36pm
I''ve found a really cheap alternative to trainer kite is to just go to toy world and grab a 2 line stunt kite for $20.
They work exactly the same but are a bit more fragile but by the time you break it your ready for a big kite.
junglejim1971
junglejim1971
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124 posts
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31 Mar 2015 7:06pm
yeah that's a great idea thanks im going to do that I wonder if i can self launch a stunt kite in a similar manner to a proper self launch that a person can perform with an actual surf kite
Schulerbible
Schulerbible
NSW
77 posts
NSW, 77 posts
1 Apr 2015 12:53am
I had one of these $20 stunt kites. They only fly in decent wind and hell they are extremely reactive, not comparable to a kiteboarding kite. Always needed a third hand to launch. Why not getting a proper 3-4m trainer kite (e.g. HQ Rush, Zebra, etc., Ozone Ignition)?
gkawo
gkawo
VIC
193 posts
VIC, 193 posts
1 Apr 2015 11:54am
junglejim1971 said..
yeah that's a great idea thanks im going to do that I wonder if i can self launch a stunt kite in a similar manner to a proper self launch that a person can perform with an actual surf kite


Unless the trainer kite is a replica of a real kite (inflatable, with a leading edge, etc) then all you're learning are the basics of the wind window. Most trainer kites are basically foil like kites, with open-cells meaning they are not suitable over water. If you land one of those on water, it's almost impossible to relaunch
Ideally you would want a kite that you can learn on in water and not get lofted accidentally.
So why not just buy a real kite surfing kite but way smaller. I think the smallest you can get is 4mt in size. They are the real thing, with bar, chicken loop, etc. The only problem with those is that they are heavier than traiditional trainer kites as mentioned. That means they probably need a lot more wind around 8 to 10 knots just to do static flying. Hell, and if the winds hit 30knots + you could use it as a real kite surfing kite.
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