mix and matching bars?

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wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
24 Feb 2012 9:37pm
Is there any problem using one brand of bar/lines with a different brand of kite,I know that larger kites have a wider bar and i asume different lenth lines but just wondering if anyone mixes it up a bit or is the general rule that bar should be designed to suit the kite.
Thanks
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
24 Feb 2012 10:01pm
Hi Wheels, There is no definite Yes or No answer to that question....it depends.

I know a couple of kiters who use a North Bar on various different brands of kites with better results and the default bar....because the North bar is often better than your average bar anyways.

I also see bad mixes from time to time... The first thing to do is to compare the default bar type to the replacement bar type (see picture below). If it doesn't match, you're probably in for a bad mix to begin with, like mixing a 4 line SLE bar with a 4 Line Re-ride bar for example. If it does match then there would probably be no problems at all, but the only way to tell for sure would be to try both of them side by side. Being an experienced kiter would help in feeling/noticing differences. Maybe if you tell us what kind of mix you'd like to try we could help you better. Possibly someone else has done that already ?



stuntnaz
stuntnaz
NSW
540 posts
NSW, 540 posts
25 Feb 2012 9:43am
I use a Cabrinah bar on a slingshot kite works well .You just need to do a bit of research to find out whats compatible with what .
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
25 Feb 2012 10:35am
The line lengths is probably just as important as the bar itself. If for example, the original kite that the bar was on had short lines coming from the steering tips but the new kite doesn't, there's your issue. Not all bar, line and kite set ups have front/centre lines that are the same length as your back/steering lines when fully powered at the bar. Try using a North bar on an F-One Bandit
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
25 Feb 2012 11:12am
Thanks so much for the detailed feed back,seems unless you do considerable research that its better to stick with a bar designed for kite,I think the main thing from what you have said is the line lenth and the fact that different kites have varying bridle lenths and hence different centre line lenth,so dont think i would risk mixing it up as seems a bit risky for a noob,main reason i asked as when i am looking to buy kites and see bargains that dont have a bar i wonder if i could use a bar from one of my other kites.
Thanks again
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
25 Feb 2012 3:56pm
Your avatar gave my grandpa a bar
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
25 Feb 2012 4:33pm
Hey dude. In modern kites there are really only 3 types of bars. A four line bar has equal line lenghts and can be used on 99% of of 4 line kites.(slingshot, Cabrinha, RRD, etc) the differences are Best, they dont have kook proof lines and therefore you have loops (larks head) on all. an easy fix is to buy some pigtails and put them on the front lines and use the knot closest to the back lines to get correct trim.
There are 5 line bars, Older slingshot C kites, Torch, etc. The fifth line acts as a safety or you can usually tension the fith to open up the canopy.

There are also 5 line kites where the fith line is under tension to keep the canopy from not getting distorted, the obvious one is North, who do this on the rebel. It is used to minimise bridals.

With a little bit of research its easy to do. Buy canopy only and use one bar for three kites. Most info can be found on the kite brand website.

I use a slingshot bar on my 3 kites which all run on 20m lines. I had a 23m line set as I had a 10m RPM stolen, but the bar and lines were locked in the boot. A quick trip to Neil at hold the line kites and I had a 20m set with loops on all four lines. $25 instread of $500 for a bar was well worth it. As far as bar length goes. All my kites used the same bar length. I have ridden many kites with the wrong bar length and they still work fine. Its about hand placement on the bar. with a shorter bar, you just move your hands from the middle of the bar outwards and pull down more agressively. On a wider bar keep your hands closely together. The kite will determine how fast it turns, not the bar..... Hope this helps.
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