pointers on waterstarting on a strapless board

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11 posts
25 Oct 2015 4:19am
hurt knee when waterstarting, left foot stayed in strap,ouch, recovering now, up riding cross wind both directions and some times upwind, would like to try strapless when i get started back,14 m kite, 15 - 20 knots, litewave 161 ,kiteing for about a month or so.
surpher
surpher
VIC
81 posts
VIC, 81 posts
25 Oct 2015 11:44am
Foot straps, if on a directional, need to be loose. Else you break knees or most commonly ankles.

Strapless: you're dipping your butt in the water with your heels on the board. Board will stay flat on the water - way easier. As you would waterstart on a twin tip (swinging the kite and all if needed), you water start on a strapless directional. As soon as your butt gets out of water or even a bit earlier, you roll off your heels onto your feet on the board to get full contact and control over the board. You might even be pointing your toes like a ballerina when dipped in the water so you get the full contact quicker when you roll over the board. As you get up on over the board turn downwind if needed, stick the boards edge into the water and ride off. You know, the regular twin tipsy, strapped stuff.

Seriously, it's no different to twin tip nor strapped directional apart from heel to foot. But even then, if it's not too choppy you could even tip the board sideways and keep it sideways under your feet while you're in the water.

Just don't overthink it because it's not difficult at all.
11 posts
25 Oct 2015 1:05pm
Thanks surpher ,now the fog has cleared from my head during my session that day i remember tightening up my left strap after strings came loose while in the water, just took a look at my board,guess in excitement i pulled it to tight,makes sense now,still going to try strapless when i get back at it.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
25 Oct 2015 4:21pm
As said it's mostly the same whether you're starting on a twintip and a surfboard/directional. Where it is different is foot placement, both when starting and on the move. All boards are quite responsive to shifting your weight to improve the ride, but at least going strapless your feet aren't locked in so dont be afraid to move them around and find what works best.
11 posts
26 Oct 2015 12:05am
Thanks for the advice Chris, great info.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
26 Oct 2015 1:27pm
I generally lay the board perpendicular to the wind, lay my heels just this side of the board's centre line and just hold it in position with my heels. The downwind pressure from the kite will keep you in contact with the board. I will then bend my legs to bring my arse close to the edge of the board (this allows me to flatten my feet and make better contact on the board) and I dive my kite. By bending the legs during the dive, your kite isn't working so hard to lift you on to the board. Make you sure you are going downwind a bit to build up speed before you start edging upwind.

Once you get good at it, you will find you can swing the board up to your arse with one hand, your legs are already up and bent waiting for contact while diving the kite (big waves approaching encourage this technique!!)
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
26 Oct 2015 1:39pm
If you put a length of bungy where the front strap normally mounts... screwhole to screwhole ... you can put your front foot under it to assist in positioning the board when waterstarting. Once your up and going you slide your foot out from under the bungy and your strapless. After a while and a bit of practice you dont even need the bungy.
Swavek
Swavek
WA
396 posts
WA, 396 posts
26 Oct 2015 1:58pm
I point the board more downwind compared to the twin tip during start and ride a bit longer downwind before edging. Also found that much more weigh is on the front foot when using directional boards.
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
28 Oct 2015 7:22am
I find it doesn't matter too much where the board is pointing when water starting - just keep most of your weight on your front foot - this will point the nose down wind.
mazdon
mazdon
1199 posts
1199 posts
28 Oct 2015 7:49am
hey smoke and mirrors
the main point on water starting for me has less to do with the board and more to do with the kite. practice flying the kite from around 10 up to 12/1 and getting just the perfect amount of vertical float to be weightless above your board (as opposed to having it over your head and dipping it down for sideways pull). once up and weight centered over board, you can put your feet anywhere you like really, and send the kite in the direction you want to go. this works well as a starting style from the shallows (kite starts at 10 in the offshore direction), or i use from anywhere. all you need is bum in water and feet generally in contact with board above, and then control the amount of vertical lift by flying kite up and pulling in bar enough to get up on board. usually need to dip quickly if the board hasn't much volume, more volume = more time to chill and then send it where you want to go.

advice above is all great as well, but i noticed an absence of reference to kite movement, and the vertical float is not something you consciously do water starting a twinny, but probably do instinctively at various times since learning. get practising!
snalberski
snalberski
WA
858 posts
WA, 858 posts
28 Oct 2015 9:42am
mazdon said..
hey smoke and mirrors
the main point on water starting for me has less to do with the board and more to do with the kite. practice flying the kite from around 10 up to 12/1 and getting just the perfect amount of vertical float to be weightless above your board (as opposed to having it over your head and dipping it down for sideways pull). once up and weight centered over board, you can put your feet anywhere you like really, and send the kite in the direction you want to go. this works well as a starting style from the shallows (kite starts at 10 in the offshore direction), or i use from anywhere. all you need is bum in water and feet generally in contact with board above, and then control the amount of vertical lift by flying kite up and pulling in bar enough to get up on board. usually need to dip quickly if the board hasn't much volume, more volume = more time to chill and then send it where you want to go.

advice above is all great as well, but i noticed an absence of reference to kite movement, and the vertical float is not something you consciously do water starting a twinny, but probably do instinctively at various times since learning. get practising!


I've been learning to foilboard over the last month and am now up a going. I found the above to be exactly what worked for me for starting on the foilboard... flying the kite in such a way to pop yourself up on the board with minimal forward/sideways carry over. Cutting short the dive of the kite and sheeting out once I'm standing works for the mo. The foilboard has heaps of flotation so it offers time to point it upwind and gently ease into the correct line.
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