relaunching a flagged switchy

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anthro
anthro
NSW
5 posts
NSW, 5 posts
12 Nov 2010 11:56pm
exactly how it happened is beside the point, but the kite (10m 09 SB) unhooked unexpectedly, ripped the bar outa my hands, flagged out (ie went to emergency depower or whatever cab call it) and ended up face down in the water.
i hooked back in, expecting it to drift downwind and eventually make up its mind about relaunching. it didnt so i just wound up and swam in.
the problem was the kite had come down leaving lots of slack in the line and, being face down, wasnt drifting downwind to take it up.
the question is, what could/should i have done? swum upwind to tension the lines? swum to the kite and turned it over?
i hear about other kite designs where you can just reconnect the quick release and relaunch. or am i dreaming?
would appreciate your thoughts.
cheers
denis
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
13 Nov 2010 11:53am
Needed to get tension in the lines to have any hope of a relaunch or it correcting itself. I would've taken the swim option.
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
13 Nov 2010 12:00pm
yeah, if you don't know whats happened to your lines then swim. Had my 2010 switchy start looping on me when i crashed as one of the ooutside lines got caught around the outside of the bar. Pulled the QR1 to flag it and the bloody qr2 came undone at the same time. Luckily someone grabbed me kite. I think anytime where the kite is face down, just swim in. You don't know what it's going to do...
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
13 Nov 2010 10:58pm
I meant swim to get tension in the lines to see what the kite had done.
Once you can assess how boned you are... then swim in.
anthro
anthro
NSW
5 posts
NSW, 5 posts
14 Nov 2010 7:40pm
thanks. makes sense. might have saved myself a swim (in) if i'd had the presence of mind to swim upwind, but at the time it was just WTF?!?

agree about the risk of tangled lines sending the kite into a looping frenzee, but it was behind a beach break with rocks downwind so it'd have been worth a try to get the thing back in the air.

cheers
christofurry
christofurry
NSW
36 posts
NSW, 36 posts
15 Nov 2010 8:28am
I caught a toeside edge and got flogged on sunday. My 2010 10m switchy then got a front line caught over the canopy so I couldnt relaunch. Pulled QR1 and went up the front lines to fix it and managed to create the biggest tangle of my life! not cool.

But I actually connect my leash to the ring on IDS line not the chicken loop trapizoid thingly where Cab tell you to. That way when QR1 is released I still have a physical connection to my kite not just a velcro tab holding it together. If all else fails you can then totally ditch you gear by using QR2 or and pull the leash QR.
SlicerDicer
SlicerDicer
179 posts
179 posts
15 Nov 2010 8:18am
christofurry said...

I caught a toeside edge and got flogged on sunday. My 2010 10m switchy then got a front line caught over the canopy so I couldnt relaunch.


Youch thats lucky the kite did not rip in half
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
15 Nov 2010 11:30am
SlicerDicer said...

christofurry said...

I caught a toeside edge and got flogged on sunday. My 2010 10m switchy then got a front line caught over the canopy so I couldnt relaunch.


Youch thats lucky the kite did not rip in half


meh, i've wrapped bridles and lines round my kites heaps of times. kites don't rip in half so easily.
DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
SA, 280 posts
15 Nov 2010 12:05pm
christofurry said...



... I actually connect my leash to the ring on IDS line not the chicken loop trapizoid thingly where Cab tell you to. That way when QR1 is released I still have a physical connection to my kite not just a velcro tab holding it together...


Great idea.
I had my CB ripped off me by a massive gust of wind a few months back in a violent squall (or maybe a microburst).
I was hooked in, but in a split second the chicken loop somehow came off the hook, the Donkey's D!k was ripped off, the bar was ripped out of my hands and the leash was ripped off my Prolimit harness. If I attached the leash like you did, the kite would have probably auto QRd itself by the leash pulling on the QR line before it was ripped off and the leash would have possibly stopped it. I'll experiment a bit with this to see if it works for me.
anthro
anthro
NSW
5 posts
NSW, 5 posts
15 Nov 2010 1:16pm
christofurry said...


I actually connect my leash to the ring on IDS line not the chicken loop trapizoid thingly where Cab tell you to. That way when QR1 is released I still have a physical connection to my kite not just a velcro tab holding it together.


yeah. hooking the leash onto the trapezoid means that when QR1 is fired off, only that scrap of velcro tethers you to the kite. I also clip the leash to that ring, which is why i've still got a kite... when the loop unhooked the velcro let go. if i'd leashed onto the trapezoid i'd have been scraping the kite off a rockwall.

but i guess cab's idea is to leash onto the trap for unhooked stuff.
phx
phx
SA
20 posts
phx phx
SA, 20 posts
15 Nov 2010 11:53pm
QR2's (the one on the chicken loop) on the Switchys seem to come from the factory with the ring velcroed halfway down the pin so it can get enough leverage to jerk it open - found this out the hard way.

Open up the QR and reassemble it with the ring right up the top at the pivot point of the pin so it won't pull itself open.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
19 Nov 2010 2:03pm
You will find most of the Cabs have so much depower when you let the bar go . ....... that you can quite safely ride with your leash in the "suicide" position

ie: Clipped over the black plastic tube/covering lines just above the chicken loop and below the bar, in the event of an incident just let go of the bar....... if the kite is tangled or looping pull your safety ( above chicken loop ) your chicken loop will remain on your harness and the leash will remain attached to your kite but should create enough slack for a short period that the kite will either crash or untangle a wrapped line if all else fails pull your second safety ( the one on your leash ) and you will be free.

I can only speak for Cab SB's as I have not had enough experience on other kites to vouch for their safety for beginners with this method

I have ridden all my SB's like this and never had a problem, IMO the IDS line is a w@nk, was never needed and I have nevr attached my leash to it. ( although I do conceed it can be useful for self landing if it is very gusty as an emergency fall back or if you are more comfortable using it )
whatthe
whatthe
WA
186 posts
WA, 186 posts
19 Nov 2010 1:37pm
My number one tip for relaunching a kite is to pump it up as hard as you can. A kite will lose pressure as soon as it gets a good dunking due to the cooler water temp.

A hard LE will help it pop up and flick off any tangled bridles. I've rolled the kite through the lines and tangled the bridle around a tip plenty of times resulting in 1 or 2 fronts crossed over the rears. You can easily fly the kite back to shore and then push the bar back through the lines.
dogfish
dogfish
NT
255 posts
NT, 255 posts
20 Nov 2010 8:32pm
harry potter said...

leash in the "suicide" position


good call. i'll give that a go.

[IDS line is a w@nk... can be useful for self landing if it is very gusty


IMHO the whole IDS is. i find the dangly trim bungy knobby things get in the way and there's altogether too much hardware hanging around above the bar. but i like the kite.

a bit off topic, but since you mention self-landing... any tips on getting the kite to plonk facedown on the beach? in lighter wind i can get it to park itself by flying it down onto its LE, but if there are gusts happening it's just as likely to bounce back up and start rolling. unlike other kites where you can reach the top front line to help it to fall over

grabbing both front lines and walking up to the kite (i guess pretty much what would happen if you hit the QR) drops the kite onto its back, which effectively kills the power and is a good safe default landing, but it's also a good way to get a stick thru the canopy.

kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
20 Nov 2010 11:10pm
To self land without pulling the Ids.
1. Park your kite right At the edge of the window just hovering 1m above the sand.
2. Dive the kite so leading edge hits the sand and not wing tip.
3. Grab the centre lines and pull until you reach the split in lines.
4. Grab the top middle line and pull in until kite ceases to move.
5. Disconnect from leash from kite.
6. Walk up line until you Reach the kite.
7. Secure kite

I hope that helps. I can land the kite this way in winds upto 30 knots.

kR
NSW, 4382 posts
21 Nov 2010 11:35pm
Cab 09/10/11 IDS kites.

Do not connect the leash to the ring on the IDS line, only connect the leash to the metal part of the chicken loop, on the 2010 and 2011 kites there is a separate hole for it. User manual downloads are here.
www.cabrinhakites.com/user-manual-downloads.html

Please watch this video if you have any doubt about how the IDS system works, and where you leash should be connected.
http://www.cabrinhakites.com/powerdrive-ids.html

If you connect the leash to the IDS ring on the 2009 model, then when you release Quick Release1 in an emergency or when self landing, the IDS will too easily disconnect. This will make it more difficult to relaunch and more likely that you will get tangles, and may have to use QR2 on your leash and completely let go of your kite.

The system does work as shown in the video, problems only occur when people who have not practiced using it, try to use it without understanding it, and how much the kite will depower when the bar is released all the way out to the trim system.

If a kite lands leading down and towards you on the water, swim to the side and pull on one rear line until the kite catches wind and turns into the normal relaunch position. Same advice for a line over, swim to one side and try to pull that line around the side of the kite. (sometimes a line over is a swim/self rescue episode though)

If the kite is not relaunching easily due to wind shadow or lighter winds, pull on one rear line and get the kite moving sideways, then quickly release that rear line and quickly grab and pull the opposite rear line, this technique when practised will relaunch SB's even in very light winds. Leave the bar in the fully out/depowered position, do not pull on the bar until the kite is off the water, and even then only enough to steer it up. Pulling in on the bar too much when attempting relaunch is the greatest cause of relaunch failure on SB's and most kites.

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