standing up but run out of power?

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mixedup
mixedup
QLD
26 posts
QLD, 26 posts
26 Mar 2013 10:57am
so I know I need another lesson, but whilst waiting in the meantime until the lesson I'm curious to ask the question:

What's happening:
* on a 12m switchblade in about 12-14knot wind (I think)
* can get going and stand up on the board ok using a power stroke down
* turn up wind (to go across the wind, not down wind) but then lose power and sink into the water still standing up on the board
* can't use the "not enough wind" excuse cause there were a couple of others out who were doing it ok unfortunately
* was pulling the bar right towards me for full power when it was occurring too...

Just wondering if there are any well know gottcha's/advice for this situation? Is it going to be like sailing a sailboat close to the wind where it requires quite fine control perhaps to maximize your forward movement?

cheers
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
26 Mar 2013 9:21am
Sounds like your choking the kite to me and edging too hard or too soon, you need to let the kite breath, pulling in on the bar whilst offering too much body or board resistance will only end up with you losing momentum, set yourself dive the kite and stand up then bring the kite back up and sheet out letting the kite breathe just follow your kite before gradually engaging an edge, in these winds you'll have to work the kite, with another 5 knts you wouldnt be struggling, its a fine balance between pull of kite and the resistance from yourself,
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
26 Mar 2013 2:02pm
Agree with Cauncy.

You might also find you're pulling yourself up using the bar, as opposed to letting the power of the ktie pull you out of the water. If you're doing this, then you end up choking the kite and you probably end up diving the kite shallower in the wind window (i.e. higher off the water) as a result of pulling on the bar (which gets 100% power out of the kite).

Also, if you find the lines are going slack just after you stand up, you could be pointing too far down wind, resulting in your out accellorating the board, which in turn means you have to wait for the wind to blow your kite away and the lines taught.

Have a look at the below thread I created as I wen tthrough something similar/identical.


www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/Newbie-Lessons-learned-so-far/
jwins
jwins
VIC
28 posts
VIC, 28 posts
26 Mar 2013 3:30pm
mixedup said...

so I know I need another lesson, but whilst waiting in the meantime until the lesson I'm curious to ask the question:

What's happening:
* on a 12m switchblade in about 12-14knot wind (I think)
* can get going and stand up on the board ok using a power stroke down
* turn up wind (to go across the wind, not down wind) but then lose power and sink into the water still standing up on the board
* can't use the "not enough wind" excuse cause there were a couple of others out who were doing it ok unfortunately
* was pulling the bar right towards me for full power when it was occurring too...

Just wondering if there are any well know gottcha's/advice for this situation? Is it going to be like sailing a sailboat close to the wind where it requires quite fine control perhaps to maximize your forward movement?

cheers


I agree with Cauncy. I had this problem a lot when I was learning, and as it turns out, I was not pointing myself downwind enough when I set off, which means that I didn't have enough speed on before turning upwind, and I was also choking the life out of the kite and/or not flying it enough. I don't know how big you are, but those winds seem pretty light, so you will probably need to keep sining the kite after your power stroke and head downwind until you get some good speed built up. Then, slowly turn to start heading closer to the wind/upwind.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5130 posts
VIC, 5130 posts
26 Mar 2013 3:47pm
What are you doing wrong? Everything. You're a newbie. That's what newbies do. Don't worry, you will get better with practice.

You may or may not need another lesson. It has more to do with developing the muscle memory for working a board, a kite, the water and the wind, all at the same time.

Wrongness in no particular order.

- You dive the kite down to the bottom of the window. Half stall it at the bottom. Pivot turn, probably go straight up and have it stick at the top of the window. No power from a stalled kite. No power at the top edge of the window. Practice doing relatively gentle smooth turns in the window, not pausing at any point and not going too far up or down. It's known as letting the kite breathe. It needs air speed to make power, not too much and not too little, just the right amount.

- You will be hauling on the bar trying to get up. The bar is a control mechanism, not a handle. You rarely put your body weight on the bar. The chicken loop is what transfers the power to your body and down through your legs to the board. Keep the bar out about 20-30cm. Only pull it in momentarily and only when you can feel the power through the harness.

- Turning the board upwind stalls the board and drives the kite to the edge of the window. Your board won't plane and the kite won't fly. Once there you will be hauling onto the bar so the kite will be stalled and depowered at the same time.

Think in your mind of this beautiful, fast swoosh as the board glides along and the kite slices through the air. That's the right way.

Now think of the board stuck in the mud and the kite with a heap of bags full of garbage tied to it. That's how you're doing it now. (Another metaphor would be, jump in your car, let the air out of the tyres, rev the guts out of the engine then dump the clutch and expect the car to efficiently roll off along the road.)
belldiver
belldiver
QLD
171 posts
QLD, 171 posts
26 Mar 2013 2:55pm
Probably off on the wrong track I'm a newbie as well.

But I've got into my head that you need board speed to get going and when you take off you dive the kite and get up.

The problem is the kite is moving faster then you, travelling more distance in the direction your travelling then the board is.

You need to fly the kite up and down in the window until you and the kite are getting to the same speed then park your kite and just use the power.

I've been deliberately in light winds flying the kite up and down, It seem to be working for me and i'm sure with more practice I will get board speed easier but until I do i need to keep the kite not to far in front of me. Hope this makes sense.
mixedup
mixedup
QLD
26 posts
QLD, 26 posts
26 Mar 2013 9:26pm
thanks for the advice guys
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
26 Mar 2013 8:26pm
this is a method i show a few beginers but only if im confident with their kite skills, set yourself, as you bring the kite over your head towards the beach do this powered so it raises you out of the water, then redirect the kite through the power zone , basically your relieving a lot of your body weight and water resistance when you put the kite through the window making your water start easier as your already up, only do this if your confident of your kite handling skills and in waist deep water, this is also a great waterstart for lighter wind days
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