the long road to going upwind.

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rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
29 Nov 2011 10:47pm
Ok so I've got this boardstart thing down alright... (can still use more practice) now I'm trying to get my stance right. bend my back leg and opening up my body and such which after doing it for 3/4 weeks I guess is where I should be. (still trying to get my right foot forward done properly which is a bitch)

How long does everyone reckon it takes to get properly upwind and in control? any tips?
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
30 Nov 2011 9:32am
I could say "How long is a piece of string" but that wouldn't help. It's all about time on the water and natural abilty (or lack of). With summer here and hopefully plenty of opportunity to hit the water by the end of January you'll be wondering what all the fuss was and be cranking upwind. Get others to watch you and make a few suggestions on how to correct minor points.
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
30 Nov 2011 6:37am
Its all about time on the board, stick with it. Lock that edge in with the kite lowish as high kites will pull you off edge, straighten your leading leg and straighten your back ( no poo stance)
rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
30 Nov 2011 8:41am
NickT said...

Its all about time on the board, stick with it. Lock that edge in with the kite lowish as high kites will pull you off edge, straighten your leading leg and straighten your back ( no poo stance)


Thanks for that.. now that you're saying that I think that is my problem sometimes. i work my kite up to high and it pulls me off my edge.
rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
30 Nov 2011 8:43am
KIT33R said...

I could say "How long is a piece of string" but that wouldn't help. It's all about time on the water and natural abilty (or lack of). With summer here and hopefully plenty of opportunity to hit the water by the end of January you'll be wondering what all the fuss was and be cranking upwind. Get others to watch you and make a few suggestions on how to correct minor points.


yes I reckon january is sort of my goal. But then again I shouldnt make it too much of a deal because I might end up disappointed!
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
30 Nov 2011 8:02pm
It takes different people different times.
Its kinda wierd,,,,one day the penny drops and it just happends and you wonder why it all seemed sooo hard.
Then you will be asking,,,,How do I go downwind.

Its a good feeling the first time you stay up wind and dont do the walk in the whole session.
deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
451 posts
NSW, 451 posts
2 Dec 2011 4:09pm
One major turning point for me was the realisation that I should really lean further back with my torso whilst going upwind. If you try to just dig your heels in you wont get far.

Commit and lean back. It's a more relaxing for your legs and will send you up wind like crazy. I go upwind at about a 40 degree angle.

Really, it's a natural thing. Keep all this advice in mind but when you're out there just be aware of the mechanics behind what you're trying to do.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
2 Dec 2011 4:32pm
You go where you look.

Look at your kite and you'll go down wind. Look to where the wind is coming from and you'll head up wind.
BarryDawson
BarryDawson
WA
175 posts
WA, 175 posts
2 Dec 2011 8:27pm
Find some flat water like up at Lancelin and all of a sudden you will be further upwind of where you started without realising it. The chop when you are learning is hard to deal with and you will struggle to lock the edge of the board in.

Good luck
Wihan
Wihan
QLD
26 posts
QLD, 26 posts
3 Dec 2011 2:09pm
Try flat water with a decent breeze and u will find it a lot easier.
rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
3 Dec 2011 12:42pm
thanks for all the advise guys! I had my first upwind experience the other day and that felt great! I practice at Melville which is my closest beach. I'd like to try lancelin sometime soon. Melville does tend to get some small chops when the wind is up.
I feel like I'm getting the feel for it a lot more.. I've noticed when I open up my body and not look at my kite things go a lot better..
until my kite chrashes in the water because I didn't look at it when I'm working it up and down for extra power haha but I'm sure that feeling will come over time.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
3 Dec 2011 4:23pm
Melville.
1) Dont ride in a straight line, when a gust hits edge fruther upwind and use your edge rather than depowering your kite. When you depower too much your front shoulder will go anteroir and that will send you down-wind.

2) sign your kite from 9:45 to 10:45, anything else higher will make you lose your edge and ride downwind.

3) Keep your front foot almost straight and ride the chop with your backfoot.

4) Go to the OCEAN as others have said, and ride in a real breeze rather than gusty conditions. It is hard for even an expert rider to keep upwind at melville.

5) Go out on the right kite size for the given conditions, youll realize this when your bar is almost at the QR, I depower any kite to about 3cm above, if the wind backs off, work and sign it hard, a bar all the way out will roll your shoulders forward and youll ride downwind unless very good.

6) get your board and kite combo right for the condtions you ride in.

7) Dont ride too fast, keep a happy medium between board speed and control. Due to apparent wind the faster you go the more you ride downwind.

8) Do long tacks unless you cant swim that far. you lose a lot of ground when you tack. Only go out as far as you can swim in with a potential flogging.

9) Get over your harness, the hips in relation to the bar is the key, lean over your harness. this is a skill when you onhook.

10) Dont stress too much, sometimes you dont have the right kite/board combo when you are beginning, and the next session is magic. I know you have had lessons and are responsibly, but a more experienced guy can point out your flaws easily, a discovery lesson takes longer, pay him back by going to vintage Cellars and buy a 6 pack to drink afterwards, when youve had a good session.

My 10 commandments. And I anit no Noah in the water, Im still learning after sailing windsurfing and kiting since 2003. you only get better, safer, and more responsible and proactive of other beginners
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
3 Dec 2011 11:22pm
Some theory, information and tips on going upwind: kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/going-upwind

As you have noted, a common problems is allowing the kite to go too high.

Another common problem is not getting enough board speed initially before edging.

Sounds like you are nearly there. If you can manage longer runs you will dial it in and start to develop the feel for automatically flying the kite without always looking at it and keeping enough power on.
rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
4 Dec 2011 1:42pm
dave...... said...

Melville.
1) Dont ride in a straight line, when a gust hits edge fruther upwind and use your edge rather than depowering your kite. When you depower too much your front shoulder will go anteroir and that will send you down-wind.

2) sign your kite from 9:45 to 10:45, anything else higher will make you lose your edge and ride downwind.

3) Keep your front foot almost straight and ride the chop with your backfoot.

4) Go to the OCEAN as others have said, and ride in a real breeze rather than gusty conditions. It is hard for even an expert rider to keep upwind at melville.

5) Go out on the right kite size for the given conditions, youll realize this when your bar is almost at the QR, I depower any kite to about 3cm above, if the wind backs off, work and sign it hard, a bar all the way out will roll your shoulders forward and youll ride downwind unless very good.

6) get your board and kite combo right for the condtions you ride in.

7) Dont ride too fast, keep a happy medium between board speed and control. Due to apparent wind the faster you go the more you ride downwind.

8) Do long tacks unless you cant swim that far. you lose a lot of ground when you tack. Only go out as far as you can swim in with a potential flogging.

9) Get over your harness, the hips in relation to the bar is the key, lean over your harness. this is a skill when you onhook.

10) Dont stress too much, sometimes you dont have the right kite/board combo when you are beginning, and the next session is magic. I know you have had lessons and are responsibly, but a more experienced guy can point out your flaws easily, a discovery lesson takes longer, pay him back by going to vintage Cellars and buy a 6 pack to drink afterwards, when youve had a good session.

My 10 commandments. And I anit no Noah in the water, Im still learning after sailing windsurfing and kiting since 2003. you only get better, safer, and more responsible and proactive of other beginners


thanks for that mate! I'll put them all to practice! I'm really keen to get away from melville and go to the ocean. get away from all the gusts and big crowds and totally focus on what I'm doing. I'll study these tips and next time when the wind is up I'm sure they will help me out heaps! thanks buddy!
rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
4 Dec 2011 1:53pm
Peterc150 said...

Some theory, information and tips on going upwind: kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/going-upwind

As you have noted, a common problems is allowing the kite to go too high.

Another common problem is not getting enough board speed initially before edging.

Sounds like you are nearly there. If you can manage longer runs you will dial it in and start to develop the feel for automatically flying the kite without always looking at it and keeping enough power on.


thanks for that link mate! very clear!
mort69
mort69
WA
178 posts
WA, 178 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:04pm
hey rick good to see your progressing,your ahead of me,but this thead is good timing for me as well thanks all
rickwindt
rickwindt
WA
245 posts
WA, 245 posts
4 Dec 2011 11:18pm
mort69 said...

hey rick good to see your progressing,your ahead of me,but this thead is good timing for me as well thanks all



thanks mate! where do u usually practice?
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