F- one Tribal 13mtr

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earlydazer
earlydazer
31 posts
31 posts
30 Dec 2005 7:23pm
i tried a tribal today im fairly new to kitesurfing (not staying upwind) but is only 2nd time on board and i power kite. This kite is unreal most of the benefits of a wide span but in a C depower wasnt used 10-12knots easy to set up easy to fly not as quick as the impact, you dont lose to much power on the turn. Looks in the sky. any one else tried one yet

Karl
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
4 Jan 2006 12:13am
I know I wouldn't mind trying one!

Is it much easier to water relaunch then the Impact?
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
9 Jan 2006 4:04pm
A little story to help you remember the name of a freight company.

The demo Tribal 13 was dispatched via FASTWAY from central coast NSW.
to Get to us at Sandy Point for the Kite clinic we held there over Christmas.
Somehow it took 8 days to travel from sydney to Melbourne, NO explaination. It then was placed in the hands of the gippsland div. which prompltly delivered it to the sandy point general store, some 6 days later. 6days 156klm ???

Also 5days after we were gone from Sandy Point.

Then when we contact FASTWAY, we are told that not only was that very poor on their behalf, they have no pickup service to Sandy Point and we will have to get the General store to Express post it to us.
It seems in the world of Fast and efficient Courier services, not only are they allowed to stuff up but also can get their stuffups fixed at our expence.

So last Friday the kite was sent and arrived today (monday). VIA AUST POST. Go figure.

So now we finally have the Tribal 13 to demo, just 3 weeks later than expected.
Pray for wind.

Best Winds
Tony L
ABK
caveman
caveman
QLD
116 posts
QLD, 116 posts
10 Jan 2006 11:07am
JEEZ... and i thought that the 9 DAYS that it took for FASTWAY to ship my kite from Melbourne to Queensland was bad!
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
10 Jan 2006 5:07pm
I wonder if anyone at FASTWAY kites.

I wonder which frieght company they use.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
16 Jan 2006 5:56pm
DILEMA

If god really loved me, he'd let win tatts or something then I could have one of each size. both Tribal and Impact.

I could have the Impacts set up with the unhooked kit that comes with them and practice the, new to me, raleys. plus experiment with unhooked wave riding.

then when I'm feeling lazy or can't be bothered with stopping for squalls and the like. I could hook in to the Tribal.

My weekend with the Tribal 13 was fun, firstly Friday night I used it for a lesson in about 11kts student 105kg, the first hr was with my teaching kite then onto the tribal. So Simon was perhaps the first person within Victoria to fly a Tribal. or is that fly a Tribal within Victoria.

He took to it like a duck to water and even in 11kts could pluck himself off the ground. And got to have some fun.

I'm seeing big advantages with this kite for teaching.

Saturday was Altona and a chance to fly the Impact 13 side by side with the Tribal 13.

In the air there is no visable difference, until you look at the lines. And to watch people using them, also no visable diff.

The feed back however was different and varied one rider would say one thing the next would say the opposite.

one rider would be unimpressed with the Tribal but excited about the Impact and visa versa.

the real difference is probably only in whether or not you like riding with the bar out on the stopper or like riding holding pressure on the bar.

Bar travel is about 50mm longer on Tribal.
Bar pressure is slightly higher on Tribal but this is usually in the extra 50mm of travel.

The Tribal delivers its power in turns a bit smoother and is very slightly less prone to choking.

Sunday only the Tribal was used at Pt Danger. This is a fun kite in the waves. It turns fast and smoothly, I wonder what conditions or agressive imput it would take to be pulled off a wave. I can be parked while you surf or flown thru bottom and top turns, you choose.

So I thinking those new to kitesurfing would really enjoy the Tribal and the 13 would happily be used from 12 to 25kts even in the hands of someone less experienced. Those under 80kg would look at the 11m.

Those of us who have a few years of 4line kite experience and don't need total depower would have more fun with the Impact. Having said that some of the least experienced that have tried them like the Impact more.

I sell F-one s in Vic. so it's obvious I have a vested interest here and thus you should take my words in this context. of course those who have tried them will know exactly what I am saying.

So ask around for someone who has flown one for what they think before accepting what I have written.

Best winds
Tony L
ABK
ascole
ascole
QLD
107 posts
QLD, 107 posts
18 Jan 2006 12:11pm
So are you saying that the impact and tribal have the same cut and aspect, but just different line systems???

I currently fly a dream 12 but looking to upgrade. I have flown an impact 13 briefly and really liked it...felt like a 9. I also thought it didn't boost quite as well as the dream and wondering if the tribal would have a bit more jump.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
18 Jan 2006 6:25pm
If there is a difference in cut and aspect then you may need to be a careful measurer.

If you have jump trouble on the Impact then it will only be a timing thing. you need to bring the kite back to the top and sheet in, if you over send the kite then jumping will be wierd.

As for difference between Tribal and Impact, as for jumping, then again it may only be a technique thing. The Tribal may be a bit smoother, both are very smooth when it comes to yanking on your body.

As with all 06 Kites with lots of depower, if you relax bar pressure during a jump and let the bar out, out of the sky you will fall.

tuning power into the kite when bar is out is easier with the Impact.
A Tribal with and adjustable stopper would be able to be tuned to act like an Impact. But not visa versa.

The one great thing about the Tribal for newbies, is you can body drag back to your board steering one handed and not worry about releasing the stopper.

I personally would put an adjustable stopper on and if I wanted the full effect of the stop and go would just pull in the depower strap the extra 10 cm. That way if I lost my board and needed to body drag, just power up the kite and rest bar on stopper and go. Back to board get going and pull the depower strap back on. Beats the hell out of holding the bar down while steering the kite and resetting a plastic thingy with your other 2 hands.

As for upgrading your dream then the 13 tribal or Impact, either would make you happy (we have both in stock).SSSSHHHH.

Best winds
Tony L
ABK
ju_724
ju_724
231 posts
231 posts
18 Jan 2006 11:38pm
your replies take too long to read Tony,

happy new year

kiteslave
kiteslave
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
19 Jan 2006 11:38am
Ive ridden the 15 tribal in waves,if you dont like fast kites do not ride it,way faster than any 15 kite i have ridden before. Control the power like an excellerator on a motor car simply by sheeting in or out.
The boost to jump waves is simple and its ability to carve through the choppiest of surf conditions due to its unique design will amaze even the best of critics.F-one have made a brilliant surf kite its range is huge.
A very comfortable kite to ride, just a bit scarey when you loose where it is in the sky due to its incredible speed.I would recommend you simply have a go on it.
I still ride standard c kites which i love,this just adds another dimension into whats becoming one of the most amazing sports on the planet.
Now all i need is a smooth and constant wind to check its full potential.I'm very impressed.Have a go ya mugs.
Free2Kite
Free2Kite
QLD
85 posts
QLD, 85 posts
19 Jan 2006 5:03pm
Would a Tribal 15meter be a good light wing choice for a 78kg person and would it go OK with my Impact 11m?

Is it more important to have lots of depower on big kites than small kites?

Freed.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
19 Jan 2006 6:42pm
Freed. are you bored with your new toy already???

You have plenty of time to think as all 15 Tribals are sold and new ones are a couple of weeks off, so go find out just how light the wind has to be before your 11 checks out.

Best Winds
Tony L
kiteslave
kiteslave
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
20 Jan 2006 12:39am
The depower on the tribal 15 is a different feel compared to a c kite.When the wind gusts up,i find the bar automatically sheets out for you.The bar feel is strangly exciting as the kite moves so fast through different parts of the window. It chooses its own depower range according to the wind speed.To harness the power,you really need to pull hard on the bar,if you dont you simply slow down due to its depower,which means the kite can be so light on the bar,or you hang on hard and it will provide a huge burst of energy to perform whatever tricks you are capable of.Then the choice is yours you keep hanging on to perform powered tricks or you sheet out accordingly to lesson your landing speed.The tribal can be a lazy ride or a bloody arm renching ride the choice is yours.I guess were not playing lawn bowls hey.Its a great light wind kite,but whats light wind. 10 to 15 knot forcasts it works fine,its top end exceeds 20 knots,and due to its speed you'd think you were on your old 12 metre c kite.Its different, its fun and its gonna take a lot of work to master it,you wont go home bragging to your friends in five minutes.Theirs already been times when i would of downed my 16 c kite and put up my 12 c,but with the tribal 15 i just keep on riding.Ive yet to use smaller but theirs a couple of 25 to 30 days coming up,so i'll check out the 11 some time soon.Remember the days when you couldn't wait to get out your 12 metre,well now its the 15.Lets just pray they engineer a 17 or 18 metre similar,and your 10 knot days will be,well we'll just wait and see.I hope your listening f-one.
robecq
robecq
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
21 Jan 2006 2:49am
Tony, when can I try a tribal in Melbourne? Week days work best for me. Also, do you sell M5's or plan to sell the m6 when it comes out? oh and what about f-one boards?
Cheers
Peter
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
21 Jan 2006 11:38am
Peter, welcome to the darkside. or should that be "turn from the darkside and come to the Tribal Light"

It's HOT! dam HOT! and Sticky and effecting my brain. or is that affecting.

Anyway just email me and we'll make a time. I aiming for Pt Henry tomorrow and have to be in Melb for a day in the first half of the week.

As for M6's I have prices on 16m and they are here.

The M6 16m is same price as Tribal 15m.

F-one demon boards are out of stock but arriving soon. As are the M8 boards which are better for durability if you're into sliders.

Apparently the Tribal is proving to be a standout kite in the surf, whereas we thought the Impact would be better, but the Impact is being raved about for its Unhooked capabilities.

Best Winds
Tony L
troncs
troncs
VIC
5 posts
VIC, 5 posts
23 Jan 2006 12:41am
Hey Tony, how did you go at Geelong today, got your text but it was toooooooo dam hot.
tt


quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

Peter, welcome to the darkside. or should that be "turn from the darkside and come to the Tribal Light"

It's HOT! dam HOT! and Sticky and effecting my brain. or is that affecting.

Anyway just email me and we'll make a time. I aiming for Pt Henry tomorrow and have to be in Melb for a day in the first half of the week.

As for M6's I have prices on 16m and they are here.

The M6 16m is same price as Tribal 15m.

F-one demon boards are out of stock but arriving soon. As are the M8 boards which are better for durability if you're into sliders.

Apparently the Tribal is proving to be a standout kite in the surf, whereas we thought the Impact would be better, but the Impact is being raved about for its Unhooked capabilities.

Best Winds
Tony L

RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
23 Jan 2006 11:13am
Hi, Troncs,
Geelong was fun but a bit unpredictable, although the Tribal was fun all day.
I'm sure all those competing would have liked to be comfortable on the same 13m kite all day.

will be at St Kilda maybe Tues for a lesson and will have the Tribal for demo.

I also tested out the speed capabilities of the Tribal yesterday, good fun.
That is until someone called BONDO tries to cut you off

best winds
Tony L
ABK
Free2Kite
Free2Kite
QLD
85 posts
QLD, 85 posts
23 Jan 2006 5:52pm
I'm still needing to know about the Tribal 15m.

My 11m is most fun for me between 15 and 20kts does this mean the 15m Tribal would be good in 10 kts.

Freed
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
23 Jan 2006 8:42pm
From what i've heard and seen, i was out on an impact 9 pretty much all day you were out on the tribal 13, although i thought it looked more like an m6? my impression of the tribal VS impact mailnly are the tribal has 100% depower and the impact doesn't. the tribal is also noticeably slower in the turns and has a gentler pull because of it...can't comment on unhooking on the tribal but the impact rocks! pretty much on the 9 i could unhook with the wind to about 25-27kts whilst riding and not get dragged down wind 77kgs . The hangtime and jump size on the impact is as big as kites ive seen and ridden before, you need good technique due to it's speed though to get up there!
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
24 Jan 2006 11:27am
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

Hi, Troncs,
Geelong was fun but a bit unpredictable, although the Tribal was fun all day.
I'm sure all those competing would have liked to be comfortable on the same 13m kite all day.

will be at St Kilda maybe Tues for a lesson and will have the Tribal for demo.

I also tested out the speed capabilities of the Tribal yesterday, good fun.
That is until someone called BONDO tries to cut you off

best winds
Tony L
ABK




Probably just a gentle way of reminding you that he'd like a ride too

bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
24 Jan 2006 11:02am
I'll get him next time plow - ive been sharpening my lines.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
24 Jan 2006 12:06pm
Ahhh!

Conspiracy

secrect NSA operatives lurking disgiused as Bondo and plow.

Bondo and Plow??? Sounds like names for 2 elephants at a circus.

St Kilda this Arvo guys. I need a few more mobile checanes.

Best winds
Tony L
ABK
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
24 Jan 2006 12:05pm
lol - you wont need me to cut you off at st kilda, there'll be 30 others vying for that privilege

might see you down there later in the arv if your around!
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
25 Jan 2006 8:37am
I think the Inner harbour area at St Kilda was planned by Nostradarmus.

He must have predicted kitesurfing, and in particular the Tribal 13.

This kite justs loves to boost big time in there.
In fact for boosting big time air I'd dare anyone to show me a better boosting kite. FULLSTOP.

The Stop and Go feature is also great. A no brainer here, just let go the bar, and kite gently settles down on one tip waiting for your pig to grab it. For unassisted landing use 5th line. EASY.

Best winds
Tony L
robecq
robecq
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:23am
Here is a pic from yesterday. The impact is out in front with the tribal coming up fast.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1103

And a pic of the their big brother the M5

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1104
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
25 Jan 2006 1:46pm
Thanks Peter,

But there is a rule for taking photos with me in picture.

I have to be the centre of attention

best winds
Tony L

PS the Tribal is back in Torquay for the weekend, anyone wanting to call my bluff can call me 0402329360.
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
25 Jan 2006 9:08pm
F-one in my opinion are awesome!!

Thats all I have to say bout that
sburlo
sburlo
NT
166 posts
NT, 166 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:35pm
Not trying to be smart, but what are the pros and cons of a tribal vs a waroo for a noob who may need to self land often, safety would rate higher for me than performance.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
26 Jan 2006 8:13am
Easy Question.

The Tribal.
have the kite slightly to the side you want it to land and let the bar go.
Kite gently and without power flys down and rests on its tip, while you have a rest or wait for someone to grab it. if it's a rest then when ready reach out and grab bar apply power and kite is flying again. Also when fully depowered the kite is still steerable and controlable.

For unassisted landings make sure you have clear landing area and release chicken loop activating 5th line. kite rolls onto its back and lands downwind. If on a beach, just dig a hole for board and use it as an anchor to attach leash to. kite just sits on its back waiting till you are ready to go again.

So the Depower and boost of bow type kites, the surf compatibilty of 5th line and speed and fun and low bar pressure of C kites.

But wait there's more

Best winds
Tony L
ABK
by the way I'm Biased.
robecq
robecq
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
26 Jan 2006 10:04am
And for those that can't get enough....

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1111&shownew=on
earlydazer
earlydazer
31 posts
31 posts
31 Jan 2006 6:03pm
haha what a kite fun to fly going upwind and getting transitions down pat learnt toeside and little ollies
heres a pic
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1207
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