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NSW, 4382 posts
27 Nov 2005 1:19pm
Yep, been infected, happened last night, incubation time is short!
It's 12M big, and it got me in a 18-24knot NE at Dolls Point.
Only took an hour and now I'm a carrier!

Sweet kite, reminds me of the Switchblade, except when you look in front of you at the bar and lines.

Of all the widespan kites I have tried, and thats 6 now, I like this one and the SB the best. We have demo kites for Cab, Slingy, Airush, and Globerider, and Naish due in soon, but I have not actually ridden them all yet.

Jumps huge, bigger than you expect to go for sure, I did some great splats, landed a few so soft too.

Tested the bar stopper thingy, works a treat, easy to move does not stick at all.

Pulled in approx 15cm of the sliver line before launch and left it like that for the whole ride, bar position for me was perfect.

With the stopper down low close the CL, so not much instant depower, it felt like a C shaped kite in a main loop, and easy to depower by edging, so long as you did not let the speed build up too much.

Bar pressure slightly more than a 12 SB, but not an issue, turns less quick but just as tight as the SB, flies as fast and like to be ridden fast, jumps best if you are going reasonbaly fast, the acceleration off the water is awesome and hangtime is excellent too so laong as you keep the bar pulled in.

One pump is a dream to have, I walked over to the beach after closing the shop, and did not have a lot of time, and it is just a good thing to be able to get the LE tight and the struts all at the same pressure too. This years bags are excellent everything including the pump fits snugly on or in the bar, and there are straps to hold a board as well, easy to walk places with.

One thing I would like to see is a ring on the centre lines so that it can be self landed using the leash, easy enough to fit though. Also the ends of the bar are not easily identifiable when you are busy, but a bit of tape will fix that. Bridles and lines are colour coded and kook proofed, centre lines can unspin or be unspun courtesy of the new 06 swivel chickenloop, although it does not matter on this kite.

Even though the wind was super gusty it was still an extremely easy kite to ride and the session was very enjoyable. People that had been out on 9-12M C shaped said it was horribly gusty and none of them kites for very long.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
27 Nov 2005 12:50pm
I get it Steve.
It's a game, right ?

We have to guess the mystery flat kite in your ad.

Ummm, does the topic title hint at the name ?

I know, it's the BEST Waroo.
Am I right ?

Regards
'slave
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
27 Nov 2005 1:09pm
Na it's the new slingy bow...
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
27 Nov 2005 1:27pm
Slingshot Turbo Diesel I believe.

SS are a great company. You can be a "slow second" and still win the race. They think twice about every move and come up with the goods.

Can't wait to ride one.
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
27 Nov 2005 7:46pm
OOO!
I like the sound of this kite. It's not like you Steve to talk something up like this, so I'm curious.

One pump....turned me off there though. I like everything independant so I can be assured something will stay afloat if I'm out at sea sleeping the night in an ocean sleepover with the stars.

C'mon Steve...what is it?.
hirschausen
hirschausen
WA
422 posts
WA, 422 posts
27 Nov 2005 7:47pm
Ah, my brain is working now...Slingshot Turbo Diesel. Ah it's good to know it still works, even though it's a bit slow.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
27 Nov 2005 11:04pm
i recommend penicillin.
NSW, 4382 posts
28 Nov 2005 11:08am
quote:
Originally posted by hirschausen

OOO!
I like the sound of this kite. It's not like you Steve to talk something up like this, so I'm curious.

One pump....turned me off there though. I like everything independant so I can be assured something will stay afloat if I'm out at sea sleeping the night in an ocean sleepover with the stars.

C'mon Steve...what is it?.



Good to see the brain got back into gear!
There is no problem with the whole kite deflating, provided you clip off the hose clamps before you go out.
There is no hype I just really enjoyed using the kite in challenging, gusty conditions, with one other novice rider out on a Switchblade.
I would not have bothered with a C shaped kite, the wind was very gusty, and the water was as choppy as it get at dolls. I had inside the rock groyne to myself for an hour, nice!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
28 Nov 2005 11:46am
One Pump and clip os sounds alot like the words used in a Sling Shot manual to me ;)
gigantas
gigantas
VIC
58 posts
VIC, 58 posts
28 Nov 2005 11:56am
Steve,
How does the "active" stopper ball work?
Is it revolutionary?
Is it available as a spare part?

Thanks
Kosta
NSW, 4382 posts
28 Nov 2005 12:11pm
quote:
Originally posted by gigantas

Steve,
How does the "active" stopper ball work?
Is it revolutionary?
Is it available as a spare part?

Thanks
Kosta



It works, as it was designed to. I really like it, it is very, very easy to move on the fly, you can do it one handed! Once you position it it stays there, great idea, ingenious design. Sure to be copied!!

It would need to be used in conjuction with the small clamcleat and the ring as per the slingy STD bar, does away with the need for a clunky trimstrap/cleat above the bar, trim can be easily adjusted on the fly. I could see this system being used on C shaped kites, the black thing has a hole in it for a fifth line.

Begginers would need to be careful with it, because they have to pull the chicken loop trigger to activate the leash, unlike the Cabrinha, Sonic, Nova, Halo systems, where they just let go of the bar to go to full depower.

I just replied in another thread that it would not make sense for Slingy to sell this bit as a spare part for a while, but I have not asked, so maybe they do?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
28 Nov 2005 12:18pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by gigantas

Steve,
How does the "active" stopper ball work?
Is it revolutionary?
Is it available as a spare part?

Thanks
Kosta



It works, as it was designed to. I really like it, it is very, very easy to move on the fly, you can do it one handed! Once you position it it stays there, great idea, ingenious design. Sure to be copied!!

It would need to be used in conjuction with the small clamcleat and the ring as per the slingy STD bar, does away with the need for a clunky trimstrap/cleat above the bar, trim can be easily adjusted on the fly. I could see this system being used on C shaped kites, the black thing has a hole in it for a fifth line.

Begginers would need to be careful with it, because they have to pull the chicken loop trigger to activate the leash, unlike the Cabrinha, Sonic, Nova, Halo systems, where they just let go of the bar to go to full depower.

I just replied in another thread that it would not make sense for Slingy to sell this bit as a spare part for a while, but I have not asked, so maybe they do?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack




So its pretty much useless as a safety system. May aswell be on a c kite if you have to pull something to activate the safety.

Lets remove the whole safety aspect of the kite in one fell swoop with a 20c stopper
GregW
GregW
VIC
106 posts
VIC, 106 posts
28 Nov 2005 7:09pm
quote:
.....
So its pretty much useless as a safety system. May aswell be on a c kite if you have to pull something to activate the safety.




That's not really true. You still get massive range and gust handling and upwind performance and most moves are far easier to do.

You can rig a bypass leash so that you just have to unhook for full depower. You can drop the kite to the leash and it does not need to crash and even if it does you can easily relaunch. It's basically all the advantages of a 5th line system without the tangles and without the risk of tearing your kite in half.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
28 Nov 2005 4:23pm
quote:
Originally posted by GregW

quote:
.....
So its pretty much useless as a safety system. May aswell be on a c kite if you have to pull something to activate the safety.




That's not really true. You still get massive range and gust handling and upwind performance and most moves are far easier to do.

You can rig a bypass leash so that you just have to unhook for full depower. You can drop the kite to the leash and it does not need to crash and even if it does you can easily relaunch. It's basically all the advantages of a 5th line system without the tangles and without the risk of tearing your kite in half.



And its as dangerous as a 5th line kite.


bows = Range and safety. Take away the safety with this setup.


Its beyond me how you can call a fixed stopper ingenious.
NSW, 4382 posts
28 Nov 2005 9:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by GregW

quote:
.....
So its pretty much useless as a safety system. May aswell be on a c kite if you have to pull something to activate the safety.




That's not really true. You still get massive range and gust handling and upwind performance and most moves are far easier to do.

You can rig a bypass leash so that you just have to unhook for full depower. You can drop the kite to the leash and it does not need to crash and even if it does you can easily relaunch. It's basically all the advantages of a 5th line system without the tangles and without the risk of tearing your kite in half.



And its as dangerous as a 5th line kite.


bows = Range and safety. Take away the safety with this setup.


Its beyond me how you can call a fixed stopper ingenious.



Ok Carbine
What you need to do before condemming this "ingenious" piece of injection moulding, it to actually lay your eyes on one and better still try it.
Then post back your judgement.

It is still a system that can be totally suitable for a begginer, and that will offer the same dead man safety - let the bar go and it all stops.

How? Well just leave the black toggle thingy up at the ring, don't use it!

Sorry I did not make that clearer.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
ming_arsenal
ming_arsenal
VIC
112 posts
VIC, 112 posts
5 Dec 2005 2:53am
i know bow kite is great but why do companies still produce C kite?
bjw
bjw
QLD
3691 posts
bjw bjw
QLD, 3691 posts
9 Dec 2005 6:37pm
Steve, if it is so good why do so many of the pros use the Fuels and C kites?
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
12 Dec 2005 10:39am
06 C kites are proving to have great depower range and have refined their overall package.

the full benefit of depower within the travell of the bars with stopper set is similier for both widespan and C kites plus the same goes for tuning with the depower straps.

the difference comes with the choice of pushing the bar thru the stopper to ditch the kite or activate the 5th line.

Both 5th line kites and Widespans relaunch in times more related to to skill than design however in the surf a 5th line kite floating on its back tends to survive wave contact easier compared to a widespan on its nose or side.

With wave riding the differences are more obvious as the style of your wave riding will choose the type of kite.

If you prefer to park the kite in a depowered state and surf the wave then Widespans are good.

06 C kites can also do this adequately but are much better at being flown thru bottom and top turns.

wave riding unhooked is still the 'C' show.

Of the widespans, with pulley bars, the SSTD is the best so far that I have studied.

But who Knows what the future will bring, more bragging and hype is for certain.

Best winds
Tony L
ABK
GregW
GregW
VIC
106 posts
VIC, 106 posts
12 Dec 2005 6:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by ming_arsenal

i know bow kite is great but why do companies still produce C kite?



Cabrinha don't produce C kites any more.

Given that only a couple of bow kites have made it to production then it is a bit early to declare the demise of the C kite.

However, in my experience bow kites are so much more fun than C kites that I could not imagine any average rider wanting to use a C kite after riding bows. Next Summer (06-07) will tell whether there is a future for either type of kite.

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