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Ride engine, (any slider) mods

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Created by 0llie 2 months ago, 22 Jan 2019
0llie
NSW, 118 posts
22 Jan 2019 9:17PM
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I bought this harness today from kp. I've got a single low friction pulley that dead simple and works really well.
I want to put a second single rope underneath primary incase it's snaps one day. Only problem is there's no pre drilled holes for it. I want to drill a hole for it. Has anyone actually tried drilling a spreader before with success?



cauncy
WA, 7044 posts
22 Jan 2019 6:23PM
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I've drilled a few spreaders in my time
been a while but

0llie
NSW, 118 posts
22 Jan 2019 9:28PM
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cauncy said..
I've drilled a few spreaders in my time
been a while but


Any split on ya? ??

2stubborn2quit
WA, 104 posts
22 Jan 2019 8:46PM
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Why bother. Just keep an eye on the rope and replace when it looks a little worn if it concerns you.

cauncy
WA, 7044 posts
22 Jan 2019 9:02PM
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0llie said..

cauncy said..
I've drilled a few spreaders in my time
been a while but



Any split on ya? ??


I wish

0llie
NSW, 118 posts
23 Jan 2019 12:51AM
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2old2quit said..
Why bother. Just keep an eye on the rope and replace when it looks a little worn if it concerns you.


I had one 2 years ago snap on my that I thought wasn't worn . ..

bramber
VIC, 67 posts
23 Jan 2019 4:50AM
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The problem with rope sliders is that the way they connect with the chicken loop is fundamentally the worst way to load a rope. The load angles actually cause more than twice the load of the kite to be loaded on each connection point of the rope sliders. So breakage of even an apparently non worn rope is not surprising.

bramber
VIC, 67 posts
23 Jan 2019 4:50AM
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The problem with rope sliders is that the way they connect with the chicken loop is fundamentally the worst way to load a rope. The load angles actually cause more than twice the load of the kite to be loaded on each connection point of the rope sliders. So breakage of even an apparently non worn rope is not surprising.

dafish
NSW, 1339 posts
23 Jan 2019 7:26AM
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I run two ropes as well because I had one snap a decent way out to sea and it was a long paddle in. With your spreader bar (not the carbon one) you can just tie the secondary rope to the loop on the bar ends. Just make sure the secondary is a tad longer than the main. The low friction ring is excellent and it has made my primary rope last more than one season with still no visible signs of wear. This is a very simple and effective setup and the low friction ring sure makes everything traverse quite smoothly.

cauncy
WA, 7044 posts
23 Jan 2019 6:37AM
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bramber said..
The problem with rope sliders is that the way they connect with the chicken loop is fundamentally the worst way to load a rope. The load angles actually cause more than twice the load of the kite to be loaded on each connection point of the rope sliders. So breakage of even an apparently non worn rope is not surprising.


A large washer behind then will distribute some load

bramber
VIC, 67 posts
23 Jan 2019 11:08AM
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I run two ropes as well because I had one snap a decent way out to sea and it was a long paddle in. With your spreader bar (not the carbon one) you can just tie the secondary rope to the loop on the bar ends. Just make sure the secondary is a tad longer than the main. The low friction ring is excellent and it has made my primary rope last more than one season with still no visible signs of wear. This is a very simple and effective setup and the low friction ring sure makes everything traverse quite smoothly.


The latest versions (2018/2019) of the ride engine slider only has one metal loop bar end. Any ideas how to connect a double rope with this setup?

pearl
NSW, 974 posts
23 Jan 2019 7:08PM
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2old2quit said..
Why bother. Just keep an eye on the rope and replace when it looks a little worn if it concerns you.




I agree. Even if you snap a rope and you have a safety the kite will just depower until you grab your chicken loop; then fly in unhooked. One hand on bar, other on chicken loop. You can even catch some waves like this. It's not a drama with a short front safety. More of a worry is if you lose your whole harness.

Youngbreezy
WA, 502 posts
24 Jan 2019 7:45PM
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I say definitely put a second rope on. It's so quick and easy to do. I just used a thinner piece of dyneema line and tied it through the holes that the original piece of rope goes through, the line is strong enough that I could easily kite back to shore or even finish a downwinder. Make sure the second line is looser so it's not bearing the load. I wouldn't go drilling holes in the spreader bar.

The extra bit of line is safer and it's so simple and easy to install there is no reason not to do it.

AquaPlow
QLD, 719 posts
27 Jan 2019 9:18PM
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Hi, read thru'all the posts - on this thread - many examples..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/Wave-Harness
Definite risk assessment 101 - = back-up line - slightly longer than main line so only loaded until main one breaks.
I have mine tied off on spreader bar.
Sure come-up with a better solution, but until U do - tie off a back-up.. - Cool to be safe
Cheers
& hope U enjoy yours as much as me mine!!.
AP

Peahi
VIC, 1035 posts
27 Jan 2019 11:03PM
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I have the R/E carbon rope slider bar and had the same concerns. Have easily threaded another rope through the same holes.





I came from using a dynabar (superior imo) which has three separate holes for ropes, and they even come with a backup rope. The main one snapped on me once and I kept kiting without noticing at first but only realised when the bar was a bit further out (backup rope is looser so that it doesn't wear).

Either way keep an eye on it, I usually change mine once a year for good measure. I just get a sailmaker to splice some rope for me, makes it double strength.





dafish
NSW, 1339 posts
28 Jan 2019 8:47AM
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Hey Peahi, you really should try the Amstel anti friction ring. I used to use a SS ring like yours and would wear through the ropes regularly. Now with the AFR I just don't wear through them any more. I would have had at least 100 sessions on my slider setup and it still looks great. Best part is the smoothness of the slider. Big difference.

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 750 posts
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28 Jan 2019 11:59AM
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This is the latest RE SS spreader bar I just run a single 5mm dyneema rope that I've spliced a 3mm dyneema rope inside. This rope has had just over 100 hrs approx actual water time and its only showing really minimal wear because I use a pulley. Antal rings next best for stopping rope wear, but a single stainless ring is the worst closely followed by direct connecting the chicken loop rope. Anything that forces the rope to slide across a very small diameter ring or stainless chicken loop replacement a few brands offer will wear the rope quite quickly.
Pulleys and antal rings were designed to slide on rope with minimal damage to the rope.

The pulley is this one www.kitepower.com.au/products/30mm-ronstan-pulley-w-swivel-shakle-head?variant=4981422915623
The pulleys is more than strong enough. The rope with 3mm inside 5mm would have a breaking load of at least around 3000kg, so there is no need to worry about rigging compression loads/angles.

Just inspect your rope regularly, no need to worry about a secondary rope when using antal rings or pulleys set up like this, and like Pearl said you can still ride back to shore after relaunching if it did break.
If you use a SS ring or direct connect the chicken loop with a SS talon or duotone rope harness kite maybe its best to run 2 ropes? Running a Plastic chicken loop directly on the rope will wear out the chicken loop and they can be quite expensive to replace.



Dl33ta
TAS, 459 posts
28 Jan 2019 3:14PM
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Posted this in response to a similar question, reused the line off the back of an old harness. If drilling stainless use lots of oil and go real slow..



Peahi
VIC, 1035 posts
28 Jan 2019 3:26PM
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Hey Peahi, you really should try the Amstel anti friction ring. I used to use a SS ring like yours and would wear through the ropes regularly. Now with the AFR I just don't wear through them any more. I would have had at least 100 sessions on my slider setup and it still looks great. Best part is the smoothness of the slider. Big difference.


Yeah thinkin about it again, but the ring works fine and rope has lasted over a year, sure its not so smooth but I don't like needing to have a loose rope already have a low friction ring but find it doesn't fit chicken loop so well, doesn't hold in. Am using fireball (without the ball part) and clips into the ring and have the bar super close.

Gateman
QLD, 244 posts
30 Jan 2019 7:03PM
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Can anyone measure the length of the rope on their sliders compared to the distance between fixing points please. Thinking of doing a setup using low friction ring on one of my existing spreaders. Maybe measure distance between rope and spreader when your ring/pulley is in the centre and under a little bit of pressure. Previous pictures seem to have quite a lot of variation in rope length.

Peahi
VIC, 1035 posts
30 Jan 2019 9:20PM
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dafish said..
Hey Peahi, you really should try the Amstel anti friction ring. I used to use a SS ring like yours and would wear through the ropes regularly. Now with the AFR I just don't wear through them any more. I would have had at least 100 sessions on my slider setup and it still looks great. Best part is the smoothness of the slider. Big difference.




Yeah thinkin about it again, but the ring works fine and rope has lasted over a year, sure its not so smooth but I don't like needing to have a loose rope already have a low friction ring but find it doesn't fit chicken loop so well, doesn't hold in. Am using fireball (without the ball part) and clips into the ring and have the bar super close.



Here is a pic of setup of AFR on dynabar, the rope has to be quite loose to accomodate it. When the rope is a bit tighter I find the ring moves about quite easily. I was also trying to win the competition of who can get their bar closest. :)

Also message to OP that is one of the harnesses that breaks at the back. Good luck with it, although I still use my broken one.







dafish
NSW, 1339 posts
31 Jan 2019 8:05AM
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With your setup Peahi I understand why you would use the SS ring. My standard Ozone chicken loop fits nicely into the groove of the AFR, after I secure the chicken loop around it I give it a little tug and it locks right in. I have short arms so this setup gets the bar as close as possible to me. Either way, you have a nice setup and backup in case something breaks.

Peahi
VIC, 1035 posts
31 Jan 2019 11:52AM
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With your setup Peahi I understand why you would use the SS ring. My standard Ozone chicken loop fits nicely into the groove of the AFR, after I secure the chicken loop around it I give it a little tug and it locks right in. I have short arms so this setup gets the bar as close as possible to me. Either way, you have a nice setup and backup in case something breaks.


cheers dafish, the cab C/L was always too thick but I'll check the 2018/19 bar as it seems smaller.

0llie
NSW, 118 posts
31 Jan 2019 2:44PM
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Peahi said..



dafish said..
Hey Peahi, you really should try the Amstel anti friction ring. I used to use a SS ring like yours and would wear through the ropes regularly. Now with the AFR I just don't wear through them any more. I would have had at least 100 sessions on my slider setup and it still looks great. Best part is the smoothness of the slider. Big difference.





Yeah thinkin about it again, but the ring works fine and rope has lasted over a year, sure its not so smooth but I don't like needing to have a loose rope already have a low friction ring but find it doesn't fit chicken loop so well, doesn't hold in. Am using fireball (without the ball part) and clips into the ring and have the bar super close.




Here is a pic of setup of AFR on dynabar, the rope has to be quite loose to accomodate it. When the rope is a bit tighter I find the ring moves about quite easily. I was also trying to win the competition of who can get their bar closest. :)

Also message to OP that is one of the harnesses that breaks at the back. Good luck with it, although I still use my broken one.








Had a couple of sessions with afr,, yes dafish can say the same. Chicken loop fits snug around ring and bar throw is perfect,. Only done downwinders on my sb so can't say how it'd go boosting but can't see a problem

Peahi how is this harness break at the back??? kp didn't mention that when I bought it??

dafish
NSW, 1339 posts
31 Jan 2019 6:21PM
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Peahi said..


Peahi said..




dafish said..
Hey Peahi, you really should try the Amstel anti friction ring. I used to use a SS ring like yours and would wear through the ropes regularly. Now with the AFR I just don't wear through them any more. I would have had at least 100 sessions on my slider setup and it still looks great. Best part is the smoothness of the slider. Big difference.






Yeah thinkin about it again, but the ring works fine and rope has lasted over a year, sure its not so smooth but I don't like needing to have a loose rope already have a low friction ring but find it doesn't fit chicken loop so well, doesn't hold in. Am using fireball (without the ball part) and clips into the ring and have the bar super close.





Here is a pic of setup of AFR on dynabar, the rope has to be quite loose to accomodate it. When the rope is a bit tighter I find the ring moves about quite easily. I was also trying to win the competition of who can get their bar closest. :)

Also message to OP that is one of the harnesses that breaks at the back. Good luck with it, although I still use my broken one.








Had a couple of sessions with afr,, yes dafish can say the same. Chicken loop fits snug around ring and bar throw is perfect,. Only done downwinders on my sb so can't say how it'd go boosting but can't see a problem

Peahi how is this harness break at the back??? kp didn't mention that when I bought it??


Boosting is not an issue...

Peahi
VIC, 1035 posts
31 Jan 2019 10:27PM
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0llie said..


Peahi how is this harness break at the back??? kp didn't mention that when I bought it??


What happened to mine... but I still use it. R/E replaced it under warranty, so don't be too concerned or check with your shop. Looks like you have an older model with green back, I know someone who had one like that, theirs cracked through the middle.




Peahi
VIC, 1035 posts
6 Feb 2019 11:21AM
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0llie said..





Peahi how is this harness break at the back??? kp didn't mention that when I bought it??





What happened to mine... but I still use it. R/E replaced it under warranty, so don't be too concerned or check with your shop. Looks like you have an older model with green back, I know someone who had one like that, theirs cracked through the middle.





Is it possible that rope sliders may put additional stress on a hardshell harness, possibly due to carbon spreader being very stiff.?? Would SS spreader spread load better? R/E don't sell the carbon rope spreader anymore...

I also have had a mainline break on me on a bar less than 1 year old - mainline 2-3mm dyneema I think, so pretty hard to break - but showed lots of wear spots inside the pvc tubing.



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