DNA 12 is worth a look also, super grunty and stable low down,
Thanks
Matt

13 Waroo Pro

If your really only after grunt, get an old low aspect kite of any brand. The older kites didnt fly to the front of the window so well so they all have plenty of grunt.

It looks like I am mixing terms used to describe different thngs...

can someone explain the difference between low end, and grunt...

to clarify my other question , power per sq meter for the above kites was what i was most interested in.

thanks for the helpful input so far.

LOW END = BEST LITE WIND PERFORMANCE
GRUNT = could mean anything, eg. **** it's got some grunt does'nt really mean anything to me apart from "PULL" which comes in many shapes and size's in the kite world.

You must be new to the sport ?, no disrespect intendend as we all were once newby's.

You're probably aware that 12/13m kites are the best all round performing kite size for Western Australia Especially during the summer months and when cold fronts approach in the winter time.

One man's nectar is another mans poisen. Go down to any beach or jump on any kite forum and ask the question "what's the best kite for this..." you will discover every man and his dog telling you there opinions ?, which is why you asked !, however you're no closer to getting an answer than Carbine winning a poularity contest here at Seabreeze !.

Call ALL the shops in your area see if they have demo kites for you to try before you buy. Find what suits your style, needs and price range you wish to spend. The conditions ar'nt the best at present for learning anyways if you at that level, if you've gotten past that stage I can understand your frustration as your probably dying to hit your local spot and show off your skills. This is the best time to take time to find your next kite that suits your needs and will let you advance.

"BOW or SLE" kite's on average can handle higher wind ranges simply as a function of their design to dump power. "C" kites are not so forgiving in the higher wind ranges which is inversely proportional to "BOWS", it's due to its inability to dump as much power as the "BOWS". We could argue all day about the pro's and con's of these styles.

Look at each kites "wind range" this will give and indication of its "TOP END" & its "BOTTOM END", this I think is the most important aspect you should be looking at, just keep in mind each manufacturer has a basic body weight and board size which is used to calculate these figure. At Bestkiteboarding we use 75kgs for the rider and average 130cm for the board. Personally I'm 100kg and use the kite size bigger for the same wind range eg, I'd prob use a 13m waroo/pro when someone of 75kgs in out on an 11m waroo/pro.

If you're in WA, contact ChoiceKiteSurfing 0438382638
If you're in Meld, contact KitePower
If you're in Syd, contact Kitepower 0295296894
If you're in QLD, contact ARSA 0402100215

regards browneee

Hey - test out the 12.5m Ion2. I ride the 10 and 14 and love them! They're bullet proof, great wind range, fast and good depower. Haven't had enough time on a Waroo to compare fairly. If you see me out on the water, you can tets out mine. (there's no too many other flexi's around so it's probably me)

Briskites stokes flexi i think.

Well ages ago I used to fly the Rhino2 16m and now I've got the Ozone Sport 13m. I "feel" a lot of similarities between these kites believe it or not, only upwind is heaps better on the Ozone. The Rhino2 was quoted as "Being able to pull a landrover out of a bog" in an english mag back then. Theres another 2 cents worth..

If you are so close to Brisbane, check out the eclipse's.
Padi has the demo set at moment.

the other kite with a sweet bottom end is a Tribal2 11m. I think Briskites has them in Brisbane.

Another kite with great low end upwind ability is the Torch3 10m.

You could have a big list to try if you are serious. I only had the Eclipse demo set for a fortnight so I imagine Padi's time with them is also limited so catch them early in your search. I can't imagine many Torches left to sell, and the Tribals are always in short supply.
So good luck.

If you want grunt you honestly can't gop passed the t2 get out on one and go for a ride the 11m t2 has the grunt of the 15m fuel.The kite is super stable and really quick and simple to water relaunch. At the last couple of comps on the east coast has been the first kite acros the line in light wind down wind races. As not enough wind to hold freestyle comp.
Simple answer is to get your hands on a few and demo them.

My kite doesn't grunt, it just goes 'woosh' as it flys through the air!

T2 has the most grunt out of all the above listed kites.

There are some great kites listed above. But if its Grunt and low end you are after the T2 wins hands down!

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a chick i was shaging couple weekends ago grunted during sex, was a bit off putting actualy - much beter when they lay there mute and motionless dont you think....

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so its kind of like.. silence of the lambs? thats fken disturbing

Hi Joe,
Come up and see me at kite Action in Caloundra on the SunnyCoast.

We have a 11m T2 for Demo.

I can show you a few things with the kite on the beach and then let you take it for the day.

Just give me a call anytime to organise a time, Any day is good for me.

You dont need much wind to fly the T2 it will fly in next to nothing.But to get up and planing for a 88kg guy you will need about 12knts, This kite has got Balls! (and manners too)

Regards
Luke King

The Ozone will be the gruntiest for low end upwind ability in that list, if the RRD is a 12M. Have not flown or seen an RRD though.
TD2 11M is grunty, but it is bigger than most other 11M kites and it is a bow. Flexi Ion2 12M is a C kite so it does not have as much projected area as the Sport or the TD2, real nice kite though.

When I was in Hawaii recently there was a Gin tean rider on a 12M Nazca, and he was unable to stay upwind when we were easily able to on Cabrinha 12M SB3's and CB3's.

Luke at Kite Action has a demo Instict Sport at the moment, so you can test a few kites there, that would be my advice.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

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Originally posted by joespencer

just wanting to buy a new 12/13 m kite,


i would appreciate any feedback on which has the most low down power out of the following please.

i will try to put them in order of least to most low down power-(= guesstimate)

flexi ion 2 , gin nazca, ozone instinct sport (this is a 13 though), rrd hyper type 08, turbo diesel 2

i don't know how different they are, w.r.t low down power, to fly (probably all pretty much the same, in the end)

not interested in any other attributes...just grunt..

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I would just like to point out that the ION2 is a hybrid kite not a C-Kite.

Joe there is a 12.5m Ion2 available too!