HELP!! Board repair... AGAIN!!!

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saffieboy
saffieboy
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SA, 222 posts
27 Apr 2009 6:51pm
Hi all.

A while ago the insert that holds the footstrap on my board got pulled out and broke. At the time I just filled in the hole and moved on to the next one....


Fast forward a couple of months and now the same has happened again, but this time I have no 'next' hole to move on to. Anyone know where to get something like this repaired? Is it fixable?

I tried to glue it ack in with some heavy duty stuff, but it lasted 5 minutes when I tried the board today



airush geoff
airush geoff
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974 posts
27 Apr 2009 5:33pm
Call up one of the local kiteshops and see who they use for repairs, I have seen them in the shop i go to back from the repairers looking like new.
pintofpale
pintofpale
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SA, 229 posts
27 Apr 2009 10:45pm
If you are on a budget or want to tr fixing it yourself try this....

It looks like you used araldite... The insert is smooth metal so the glue has nothing to grab on to. When the board is made there is probably a layer of fibreglass over the top of the insert which holds it in. You could try getting rid of the metal inset and gluing the screw directly into the board. You will need to drill out the glue that is already in the hole so the new glue can get a grip. Wax the thread lightly and wipe off the excess so the glue can get around the thread. It has a good chance of gripping and being strong enough if you let the glue go nice and hard before you use it. I suggest epoxy resin is the best glue. Araldite is an epoxy but avoid the 5min stuff which is not as strong. After the epoxy (araldite) has set properly you will find the screw can be removed and it will have formed a thread in the hard glue.
kitecroc
kitecroc
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SA, 513 posts
28 Apr 2009 11:52am
Leighton Clarke (aka The Ding King) work is top notch. Friend had a fist sized ding in the bottom of his board, got it repaired by Leighton and you couldn't see any sign of it. You can get his number from Onboard.
Chap
Chap
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SA, 164 posts
28 Apr 2009 12:46pm
Yep, agree with POP, slow set epoxy resign (ie West or similar) would be better but will require some digging out of the existing board; possibly glass in a washer for more surface area/grip.

Even better, get the Ding King to do it so you know it's done well and clean; and that your board strength isn't compromised...

Good luck!
saffieboy
saffieboy
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SA, 222 posts
28 Apr 2009 5:37pm
Thanks guys,

I have dropped it off to Leighton because I don't want to stuff it up!!

Cheers for the advice.
sbray
sbray
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SA, 350 posts
29 Apr 2009 5:23pm
Hi guys,

The discussion regarding deck repairs to boards reminded me of a technique, which is used to mount hardware to ¡§foam core¡¨ boats.
For further info from the net, try searching for "Stanchion installation on boats¡¨ or join one of the many board building forums.

The concept is to pour an epoxy plug beneath the skin of the board, which provides a strong base for mounting hardware. The plug needs to be a substantially larger diameter than the hole in the deck.

Figure 1. shows two types of fasteners most commonly used (there are many variations of these, try google images to view some).

„« Threaded insert where a female threaded insert is embedded in epoxy, into the substrate of the board. You use metal threads (preferably 318/316 stainless) to fasten your hardware (straps, plates, fins etc) to the board via the insert. This method is probably the strongest fastener.

„« Coarse threaded screws are another method of attachment, whether they are tapered type screws or coarse threaded metal threads (bolts). The coarse threads tend not to pull out as much when using smaller diameter screws.

Two methods of installing screws in your new epoxy are;
1. Use a self- tapping screw, wood screw etc. where a pilot hole is drilled to the correct diameter & depth into the new epoxy plug then the screw inserted. Experiment in a scrap block of epoxy to get the correct diameter.
2. Coat the screw/metal thread with a mold release agent, (proprietary mold release, vinyl floor wax, Mr. Sheen etc) then embed and support the screw to the correct position while the epoxy plug is still liquid, just after pouring. This will then form the required thread shape.






Figure 2.

If you are installing new hardware/mount positions in the board, mark exactly where the centre of the mount should be. ¡Kthen re-check your measurements !!

If you are re-constructing repairs, then the position will be obvious & won't require exacting detail until installation of the fasteners.

Drill a hole, (if one does not exist already), to the correct depth required to accept the screw or insert.
Take care not to drill through the bottom skin of the board !!

The "deck hole" diameter will be governed by the diameter of the insert (shown as measurement "D") or a comfortable size bigger than the screw and that you can manipulate the Allen key into.





Figure 3.

Mark your Allen key to gauge the correct depth you require, (just use some masking or electrical tape).
Then carefully maneuver an Allen key into your initial access hole, as shown, in under the deck layer. Carefully rotate the key, by moving the drill chuck & key by hand at first to begin the process.

As soon as you can comfortably keep the key shank vertical, use a variable speed drill to CAREFULLY ¡§mince¡¨ the foam substrate. Take care not to chew out your initial deck hole or the deck skin from below. Practice on a scrap bit of Styrofoam first !!

Vacuum or pick the minced foam out via your deck hole.
You should now have a "disk" shaped void beneath the initial deck hole, ready to be used as a mold for your epoxy plug.





Figure 4.

Carefully fill the void with epoxy mix. You can use a syringe (no needle required) to pipe the mix into the void.
DO NOT use found/discarded syringes/needles, the risk from infection far outweighs buying a new (non medical) type of syringe.

OR - Use a plastic bag with a small hole cut from one corner to pipe the mix in.
NOTE ¡V if you use your partner¡'s cake icing piping bag you will need to discard it afterwards as you cannot clean them up !!

Mount your insert or screw in the mix and support until the epoxy has cured.
You can screw a metal thread into the insert to hold it in the correct position.
Now is the time to place the inserts etc. in exactly the correct position.
Be aware that any support blocks / washers etc. need to be coated to stop them becoming glued in place.

If you are careful with your application, there should be very little cleanup/sanding.

Fossil



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