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foorked
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Big eeeZeee
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10 Feb 2012 11:47pm
yep. it's foorked!
harry potter
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11 Feb 2012 1:56am
This is a massive problem !!!!

I wrote to the EPA on exactly this issue about 3 weeks ago I am now up to my 4th email with three responses so far, not one answer has been addressed.

I'm not sure if I can legally scan and post up my emails and the EPA's responses ( Laurie ? )

But in a nut shell I asked :
1. Do Melbourne water release raw sewerage into the bay during times of heavy rain ?
Answer: yes only on rare events ( pffft...)

2. Why do we not have grates on our storm water drains to prevent debris from entering the bay and ending up on the beaches ?
Answer: this is a council issue.

2nd email

1. Given melbourne water do release raw sewerage into the bay what actions are being taken
To expand the sewerage infrastructure capabilities to:
a) plan for future rain events
b) and prepare for Melbournes rapidly expanding population
Answers: a) the system is based on a 1 in 5 year event. ( wtf.....). And that is basically all they said


2. Are Melbourne water ( a corporation ) fined or penalised for breaching the environmental act as any other corporation would
No real answer given just fluff

Basically the EPA (well at least the person I received a response from ) had no idea and or are basically doing nothing to address this very SERIOUS ISSUE

The reason this issue is so serious is the Port Phillip Bay should almost be considered an enclosed waterway it does not get anywhere near enough flush through to handle this pollution.
Giardia and ecoli are serious bacteria and during these events their levels are THOUSANDS of times higher than the acceptable level. (WTF thousands .....). check the history reports for yourselves.
Serious action needs to be taken before it is to far out of control

Ps: this is not about dog $h1t being washed down the street into the bay it's about 100's of thousands of litres of RAW sewerage ( OUR **** not to be confused with storm water )being release into the water close to where we all kite and this is in summer many of us kite all year and it rains a lot more during winter yet the issue is not publicised as the beaches are not packed .......... We as kiters spend more time in the bay than just about anyone else so we should be at the fore front of this battle!!!

FU@king pissed off as you may be able to tell.


Peterdj
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11 Feb 2012 8:59am
It really is amazing to think that not alot has changed in the sewerage system around Melbourne even though we have such a huge population now compared to when it was first built..
Yes they have built trunk pipelines in the north , one around the port melbourne area to be able to cope but geez. If they are purposely releasing waste water then , "Melb Water, does that not tell you something about your plants?"

They have massively extended the Altona plant compared to what it was years ago, but gee what is it next to? , a drainage creek!!! That flows right onto a damn beach FGS

They started building the sewer system thing in 1894. Especially in the older areas the "pipelines" were basically open drains like the ones that run along the Geelong freeway in Werribee with a cover bricked onto them, then back filled and a road built over them..

Werribee releases up to 500 million litres a day into the bay of "C " class water. Now c class cannot be put onto food we eat. Your aren't supposed to be near it when it is being used for sprinkler systems in park etc.

But they release half a billion litres into water that we swim in , eat fish from etc. Then lets dont mention the trade waste the epa allows to be released into the water when these "rain events " happen, what a total crock of crap. The quality is not as bad as it once was , but the volumes are much much higher. Thats normal scheduled releases though , not special untreated crap.

For the EPA to say it's a council issue regarding grates is bull. They are supposed to be protecting the damn environment

In the end , its all about money.
You will never hear about a Government Department charging another GD for breaching a rule. They will get totally reamed behind closed doors but actually charged and prosecuted, nup.
Then when it happens again it will be "oh well".

maybe every one should start sending emails to these morons

Saffer
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11 Feb 2012 2:22pm
To top it off, the EPA has just approved the building of a soil treatment plant in altona. Imagine what thats going to do to the water quality.
djdojo
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11 Feb 2012 6:04pm
As in contaminated soil? It's the Prime Minister's home town, perhaps she can do something about it?

Man, the Apex end was stinky enough yesterday before the rain...

... but my how flat the water and steady the wind. Epic session.
Saffer
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Peterdj
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11 Feb 2012 11:27pm
Thanks for that Saffer, signed
Volantin
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12 Feb 2012 7:47pm
Signed too! I live near the rail line on the northern part of Altona. No way jose!!!!
Flyingbody
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15 Feb 2012 4:53pm
Signed too! Hopefully it's not too late and they will be able to cancel this project!
Andobear
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16 Feb 2012 11:15am

Singinture #103
juggler
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16 Feb 2012 1:01pm
What's wrong with building another treatment plant at altona? Where else is it going to go? Maybe people should consider that when they move into an industrial area with a **** farm in it already then future plants will also be built! It's not rocket science
Peterdj
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16 Feb 2012 1:32pm
Fair point juggler.
Sewerage treatment plant that is already there is in altona meadows.

The soil treatment plant is a lot different animal. The council is against it but the chemical company wants it.
Yes it is in an industrial area but where they want to put it is very near houses and unless the concerns are met regarding the pollution threat the EPA should not let it go forward.
We all know how the EPA allow raw sewage into the rivers and bay, whos to say they will control contaminated soils(dust, asbestos maybe? ) to be blown over a residentail area stretching miles from the site into ereas that arent in an industrial zone.
Volantin
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20 Feb 2012 8:07pm
... And Peter hit the nail on the head with the wind situation. Have you been any where near Brooklyn, just a bit up from Altona North?! I used to ride long the Federation trail there on my way to work and the smells that came out of the soil and rubbish dump just near the trail was enough to make my nose bleed at times! The Epa and chemboys cannot be trusted here. A toxic facility just near Cherry Lake and along the 'industrial belt' of Altona as it stand now is just another punch in the guts to us the residents.
Did you know that back in the 1960s Altona was a residential town FIRST before Mobile and Qenos moved in?! We should have a say first and if the people say NO, then NO is NO!

Ps. How would u like a mouthful of cement dust wafting over the trees whilst you kite surf at Altona? Hmmmm not good. Come on. Sign the peition and stop arguing over what is obviosly a bad idea all round. No toxic soil dump in Altona!!!! What do we want?! When do we want it!? Now!!!
Peterdj
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21 Feb 2012 5:35pm
Altona was in the first instance a dairy and pastoral erea before it was named Altona (make sense)
It was named Altona when the coal mine was opened there in the 1800's (underground) a guy from Altona germany opened the mine and named it Altona. The mine was eventually shut when water seepage became to much of a problem in the 1930's.

Some houses remaining ( made from straw and render i think) along merton street were there way way before the chemical companies moved in, those houses are still there.

Put it somewhere there is nothing, like point wilson for example. ****e farms, quarries, salt pans and an airport are all thats there.
juggler
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23 Feb 2012 9:49am
Peterdj said...

Altona was in the first instance a dairy and pastoral erea before it was named Altona (make sense)
It was named Altona when the coal mine was opened there in the 1800's (underground) a guy from Altona germany opened the mine and named it Altona. The mine was eventually shut when water seepage became to much of a problem in the 1930's.

Some houses remaining ( made from straw and render i think) along merton street were there way way before the chemical companies moved in, those houses are still there.

Put it somewhere there is nothing, like point wilson for example. ****e farms, quarries, salt pans and an airport are all thats there.

But if it is built somewhere with nothing it removes another growth area, build it next Ti the **** farm where the treatment for water is already in place. The people of Altona can then move to point Wilson where it'll be nice n clean

Or just build it at point Henry, the Alcoa smelter will be closed within a few years anyway
Fliptrix
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17 Mar 2012 11:29pm
Hey juggler i have been riding the wind around Altona since the 1990's and i live and love the place,we dont want that kind of S@#%$ dumped here any more than if someone was to do the same in your neighbourhood,Im sure You Would LOVE It if they were to build it near the eastern treatment plant near patterson lakes
They need to just build it somewhere away from residential areas simple as that! a 1km buffer zone is unacceptable!!!
bm
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18 Mar 2012 8:55am
Ted B swims at Brighton Baths doesn't he. Might be to bigger infrastructure project to fix?
bm
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18 Mar 2012 8:56am
Ted B swims at Brighton Baths doesn't he. Might be to bigger infrastructure project to fix?
Peterc150
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18 Mar 2012 11:30am
Ted B's government doesn't do infrastructure, except for the Brighton level crossing grade separation
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