A good session at Mentone, who was the windsurfer?

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Peterc150
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21 Dec 2011 10:29pm
Had a nice session late in the afternoon at Mentone. Warm, sunny, clear water and a brisk easterly - south easterly.

But the kamikaze windsurfer heading straight for me then just past me at high speed when I was in the water did not impress.

With all that space around, why do this? There were only 4 kites and 4 windsurfers on the water!

www.peterskiteboarding.com/2011/12/brisk-easterly-at-mentone.html
iRideWainman
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22 Dec 2011 12:00am
Hey Peter, I saw a few kites out there. What was the wind direction on the beach? Cross shore, or cross-off? The kites on the beach appeared to be facing cross shore. I headed down to Rickett's but I didn't have my 8m so I opted out of kiting. Is there any reason why you prefer Mentone over Rickett's? I'm not so crash on riding near reefs etc, but obviously you've got your own reasons, I would have assumed more space, but even still kamikaze poll dancer still can get in the way!
tarzan
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22 Dec 2011 9:45am
That guy was pushing the limits. He almost took me out too - I looked around at one stage and he was really hot on my tail... I had to take evasive action. No idea why. I'm not going to even speculate as to what goes through the mind of a poledancer.
Peterc150
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22 Dec 2011 11:22am
iRideWainman, I like Mentone in a south easterly because its side shore (cross shore), and while an easterly is a tad offshore, it smooths out as you go further out, and Beaumaris Bay is a "catching feature" if you end up taking a swim - you would end up getting blown in to land (but there are some rock sections).

The beach launch is quite good too if a tad narrow, and it doesn't seem to get crowded often. Plus the water is heaps cleaner than the north of the Bay. I rate Mentone as intermediate.

Got to keep clear of the swimming zone in front of the LSC though. Its marked by yellow buoys.

Ricketts is a nice spot too, but launching is more restricted, there are gnarly reefs and also more pole dancers (but nice ones). There is also a kamikaze kiter there on occasions too.

If the wind is offshore here and you ditch the kite it would be difficult to get to shore. If you detach from the kite, its going to Altona or Werribee. I rate Ricketts as advanced.
Gorgo
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22 Dec 2011 11:33am
It seems to be standard windsurfer behaviour. You often get guys barreling through the pack like a missile with no thought of leaving anybody any room.

I don't know if it is just enthusiasm, incompetence, or if they're trying to stick it to kiters who dare to invade their ocean. I suspect it's all of the above.

Most windsurfers can't do anything else other than go fast in a straight line on a broad reach ... then crash at the end.

The solution is to use the superior manouverability of a kiteboard to keep well out of their way and to protect both yourself and the out of control poleys.

There's a certain level of self-satisfaction you can get from being the responsible one and giving way to them ... then overtaking them on the upwind side or carving into a wave or boosting away from them. To put it cruelly, be the nice young kid that looks out for the old guy with dementia. ;-)

What you can never do is:
- do a move you might mess up that puts you in their track.
- try and force any kind of right of way (that goes for anything on the water)
- and, sadly, expect them to look ahead and take evasive action (eg. a monster jump that keeps you in the air so long that they ride into your landing zone).
tarzan
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22 Dec 2011 11:41am
Gorgo said...

To put it cruelly, be the nice young kid that looks out for the old guy with dementia. ;-)


Classic. That made me laugh. Great summary of our ocean friends.

I agree with Pete's summary of the rating of Ricketts vs. Mentone. Ricketts can be fun in a similar wind but the consequences of failure are bad - either blown out to sea or onto rocks.

Smithy
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22 Dec 2011 8:22pm
Hey guys don't get sucked into the stereotyping that seems to happen in other forums on this site. Blame the individual not the sport, one inconsiderate windsurfer does not make them all so, just as one kite boarder who takes out half the surfers on a wave should not reflect on all of us.

Also don't get sucked into thinking you can force a "right of way" situation... 99.9% of kite boarders and wind surfers would not have the slightest clue on right of way or that any such thing actually exists...
harry potter
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22 Dec 2011 8:47pm
I ride at Ricketts a fair bit and amongst the windsurfers, personally i would rather kite amongst windsurfers than kiters...... On the whole they have far better knowledge of the wind and sea than 99.9% of kiters and they are far more predictable.
If they ever get too close jut pull the trigger and boost out of there....

Where you do have to be very careful is in large surf you can be coming in and a windsurfer going out..... When the waves are large you won't see them until they launch off the wave and are above you.
I have had a few close calls like this.
THE DONG
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22 Dec 2011 10:47pm
Smithy said...

Hey guys don't get sucked into the stereotyping that seems to happen in other forums on this site. Blame the individual not the sport, one inconsiderate windsurfer does not make them all so, just as one kite boarder who takes out half the surfers on a wave should not reflect on all of us.

Also don't get sucked into thinking you can force a "right of way" situation... 99.9% of kite boarders and wind surfers would not have the slightest clue on right of way or that any such thing actually exists...


Totally agree... enjoy the ocean ppl... dheads will always be dheads no matter what craft they are on... unfortunately the wankers arent restricted to the streets they are everywhere... respect all in the ocean and get the same back... if they dont then give them a crash course on etique when they get back to shore ;)
Peterc150
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22 Dec 2011 11:48pm
THE DONG & Harry. I agree. Its not about windsurfers - this is the first time in 5 years kiting I have had a concern about one. Generally they know what they are doing and keep a safe distance. I have some windsurfing buddies too.

This one guy was different though - he saw me and it seemed he was aiming at me to play chicken. Passing so close upwind meant a big gust could have changed his course and collided with me.

His mate close nearby kept a reasonable distance and went downwind which was fine. If I come across him again I would definitely have words.
jev7337
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23 Dec 2011 2:19pm
Peterc150 said...


This one guy was different though - he saw me and it seemed he was aiming at me to play chicken. Passing so close upwind meant a big gust could have changed his course and collided with me.



It's safer if the windsurfer passes you upwind. If a gust hits then the windsurfer will lose much less ground than a kiter. Worst case he goes flying head first over his sail. A kiter will go a fair bit further downwind.
adrenal
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23 Dec 2011 6:59pm
Smithy said...


Also don't get sucked into thinking you can force a "right of way" situation... 99.9% of kite boarders and wind surfers would not have the slightest clue on right of way or that any such thing actually exists...


The classic situation: Two kiters on opposite tacks are edging hard to make upwind ground. The two Gladiators, cheered on by their ego's, hurtle towards eachother not wanting to cede ground to the fast approaching enemy. The pillock that should give way is thinking to himself: "yeah, I should give way but my super human kiting skills will render this rule unnecessary". The other Gladiator is thinking: ' What's this noodleburger doing? I have right of way; I have God and Virtue on my side and will prevail.

Not long after, both find themselves wishing they'd paid up their Ambulance subscriptions.

The right of way rule is always on my mind and I try to stick to it whenever possible; Mainly by remembering to give way when I'm on a Port tack.
Should never try to 'force' the situation because rule number one is to 'avoid collision' and take evasive action regardless of whether you have right of way or not.

For those who are a little confused by the 'Starboard rule', the Gladiator who is leading with his/her right shoulder (right shoulder pointing in direction of travel) is on a starboard tack and has right of way. The other Gladiator has his/her left shoulder leading is on a Port tack and should give way by bearing away and going downwind of the other kiter while dipping his kite. Of course, the right of way dude should be simultaneously lifting his kite.

Spread the word! It'll make things easier and safer (and pay your ambulance subscription ).
Peterc150
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23 Dec 2011 11:03pm
To clarify: I was in the water completely stationary having spudded in after a jump, with the kite flying fairly high. One windsurfer steered downwind, no issue there - he kept well out of the way.

The other dude was coming straight at me fast - to the point were I thought he would hit me (about 10m away). He then veered just upwind of me, which meant if a gust caught him (and there were gusts about) he could have been lost ground and hit me, going fast.

The obvious thing to do was bear off downwind as his mate did, and maybe slow down a bit too (5 knot rule). But he didn't.

So he either has poor judgement, a poor attitude, or both. Given the incident with Stuart also, I think the latter is more likely.
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