^^^^ AMEN
It's f-ing annoying .... People mowing the lawn kites at 12. Kites high when they should be low kites low when they should be high.

Here's a clue ... If you wear a helmet and an impact best whilst mowing the lawn you do not qualify for the advanced area.... But don't stress because soon ( a season or two ) you will wish the noobs where not there either.

Maybe we could have it tattoo'd on the instructors foreheads so they don't forget to tell their students.

Laughs, went to inverloch yesterday to avoid the weekend water mowers, was excellent.

Kited from around 1:30 till days end, then hit the pub, got back to Melbourne at midnight.

Inverloch has plenty of room for everybody.

I know the frustration of trying to learn new tricks, a lot has to all come together to make it happen.

Good luck with having st Kilda noob free and to yourself, lol.

Ps Sometimes a friendly kiteloop back toward their direction is all it takes to move them on!

Ps, at what point do I know that I'm good enough to ride "advanced" area?

Thanks,

matto said...

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Ps, at what point do I know that I'm good enough to ride "advanced" area?

Presumably when you arent sauntering upwind with your kite parked at lunch in middle of everybodys way. It aint that hard to stay upwind when there is plenty of power.......... (or at least if you are doing the walk o shame - do it at either end of a tack to stay out of peoples way).

The problem with just going upwind is it's not that hard to stay upwind but they still have no kite control. I.e. they still need to ride while looking at the kite instead of where they are going which is dangerous in a confined area like the kiddies pond. Realistically, it's not the sort of area where you should have to worry about the beginners have right of way rule, people should know what they are doing.

My guess would be that unhooked or kiteloops would be the definition of advanced.

The progression series probably uses the right definition of advanced so if you're learning or can do any of these, you fall into the kiddies pond area.

• Hooked in Kiteloops/Downloops (intentionally and in the air - plenty of people do these unintentionally)
• Board offs
• Riding Blind
• Unhooked set up & basics
• Popping
• Raleys
• S-bends
• Unhooked Kiteloops
• Unhooked Downloops
• Intro to Handle passes

Saffer said...

matto said...

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Ps, at what point do I know that I'm good enough to ride "advanced" area?

Presumably when you arent sauntering upwind with your kite parked at lunch in middle of everybodys way. It aint that hard to stay upwind when there is plenty of power.......... (or at least if you are doing the walk o shame - do it at either end of a tack to stay out of peoples way).

The problem with just going upwind is it's not that hard to stay upwind but they still have no kite control. I.e. they still need to ride while looking at the kite instead of where they are going which is dangerous in a confined area like the kiddies pond. Realistically, it's not the sort of area where you should have to worry about the beginners have right of way rule, people should know what they are doing.

My guess would be that unhooked or kiteloops would be the definition of advanced.

The progression series probably uses the right definition of advanced so if you're learning or can do any of these, you fall into the kiddies pond area.

• Hooked in Kiteloops/Downloops (intentionally and in the air - plenty of people do these unintentionally)
• Board offs
• Riding Blind
• Unhooked set up & basics
• Popping
• Raleys
• S-bends
• Unhooked Kiteloops
• Unhooked Downloops
• Intro to Handle passes

what about boosting you forgot boosting!

Why not just kite somewhere else? Dont know how you guys deal with all the ****e that goes on there!

Taurus said...
No wonder its called the 'kiddie pool', seems to be full of you elitist jerks. I will continue to mow the lawn (with the occasional megaloop)

Nothing to do with being elitist. The area has always been zoned by the KBV for advanced riders. A graphic of the zones was up on their website. Its about leaving a flatwater area for the advanced riders to do tricks without having to worry about someone with their kite at lunch and to reduce the risk of injury to both parties.

pgc said...
it wont be there soon they are putting a wall thru it to build a new floating marina
bummer

if that is the case are kbv lobbying the people who set out the bay kiting restrictions - seeing as that will be a reasonable amount of the current kiting designated area?

" wont be there soon..."

Are you farkn serious. We should hold a protest! for real!
Start a petition or something. Its outrageous

Taurus said...
No wonder its called the 'kiddie pool', seems to be full of you elitist jerks. I will continue to mow the lawn (with the occasional megaloop)

Hey taurus, you need to read up on Kite boarding zoning rules:

http://www.kbv.org.au/index2.php

Cautions:
"Beginners might have to contend with high numbers of kiters and should avoid straying into the experienced kiting area east of the general area. "

If anyone needs a refresher on KIte zones:

parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/478081/Port-Melbourne-to-St-Kilda-Boating-and-Swimming-Zones.pdf

Just to add my 1 cents' worth...

I've had experienced kiters (outside of the kiddie pool at St Kilda) charge toward me as I'm clearly trying to launch in the only space in the line of (instructor lead) learners. Once they get a metre from the shoreline, they turn around and go back out to sea. The line of learners is clearly the danger zone of people body dragging out of control so I'm keen to get through it as quick as possible.

I've had learners (first/second time out by themselves) dominate a wide wide area, trying out of control water starts in front of me (repeatedly from left to right, right to left and back) rather than waiting a second or two and letting me pass and get going.

Generally speaking, I think solo learners want to get away from advanced riders (from fear of collision and/or tangled lines) and advanced riders want to get away from Learners. For the most part, I think that happens, but you just get one or two **s out there that spoil it for us all.

On a slight tangent, It would be nice if there was a non-standing zone on St. K that is wide enough to allow people to launch from...

Anyway, I'm daft, don't listen to me. bye.

theWILFRED said...
it will always and will continue to be a problem.. because more and more people are getting into kiting. i would just stay away from the kiddie pool if it looks crowded, plenty of other beaches to kite in.

I kite at StKilda out of convenience. But with the volume of kiters there now, I'm certainly looking elsewhere.

Hi Salt,

yeah, I hear you. Don't the iKo publish 'ability/competence' levels? Like if you're a level 2, you can slide turn, jump, blah blah. Perhaps a sign with the iKo (or similar) would add a bit of authority to the matter.

Not to scare people of the consequences, more to give people tangible ability tick list so they can ensure they're surrounded by peers...

Was good wind today but too many learners in this are area (this applies to you if you were one of the guys on a blue Rebel, the guy on the core or the guy on the dark kite I didn't recognise). And no, you are NOT even close to being good enough to be there.

The deeper part (closer to the pier)