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K Dog
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19 Jan 2015 6:18pm
Hey all, wondering if anyone can recommend a kite for the bay, I'm 85 kg, 180 cm tall, new to kiting and recently completed training overseas. Thoughts on sizes for bay conditions? Cheers
SaltySinus
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19 Jan 2015 7:17pm
Everyone has an opinion on these types of requests, which I totally respect, but if they don't say a 12m North Rebel, they're wrong...

Okay, so, seriously, what type of kiting do you do (waves, bay bay) and do you ride a twintip or direction.

On a twinny, i'd say you'd be after a 12m something. A directional, probably a 11m.


K Dog
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19 Jan 2015 7:21pm
Thanks salty! Twin tip. Is that a five line? Find that on a crash they are game over when fifth is over the kite
tomme
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19 Jan 2015 7:40pm
K Dog said..
Hey all, wondering if anyone can recommend a kite for the bay, I'm 85 kg, 180 cm tall, new to kiting and recently completed training overseas. Thoughts on sizes for bay conditions? Cheers


not many posts for a new to kite flying person....

No matter what people say DEMO DEMO DEMO.some great shops in Vic with knowledgeable staff and a good range of new and second hand gear,
PaulVee
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19 Jan 2015 7:53pm
I have a 9 & 12 m Rebel. Slightly heavier than you.
4 years on 5 line - 1 incident after a crash.
This covers me up to 35knts, which is normally enough around Melbourne.
psychojoe
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19 Jan 2015 7:39pm
Buy a 9m airush lithium just coz I said to
DanWilson
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19 Jan 2015 11:02pm
Your the same weight as me and I spend 90% of my time on either a 12m or 11m.

If your just starting out go for the usual bunch of kites, switchblade, rebel, catalyst, rpm, kahoona, bandit etc etc hard to find a bad kite nowadays
StKKiter
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19 Jan 2015 11:39pm
11m or 12m will work well, you might want to consider 2nd hand, there are plenty of kites advertised in the Buy and Sell section which would be suitable.
THE DONG
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20 Jan 2015 3:55am
Don't buy a rebel mate there should be plenty hanging off chimneys, trees and backyards around Brighton area
r1mick
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20 Jan 2015 8:10am
As the others are saying. You'll want around an 11m or 12m. I have a few kites for sale that would be great for you. The Naish Torch is one of the best kites you can get with the most direct bar feel out there. and coz of this, It will improve your riding and kite skills quicker.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Kitesurfing-Kites/~tleqf/2013-Naish-Torch-12-metre.aspx

K Dog
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20 Jan 2015 11:30am
Thanks for all the replies.

Appreciated guys.

What size would you go to cover 20+ knots?

Cheers all.
SaltySinus
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20 Jan 2015 12:13pm
K Dog said..
Thanks salty! Twin tip. Is that a five line? Find that on a crash they are game over when fifth is over the kite


Hey Dog.

Yep, it's one of their idiosyncrasy. Not too much of an issue if you've 6months + under your belt and not doing wildly stupid things... The benefits are almost 100% depower, and a marginally (in my opinion) quicker resolution when you pull the quick release.
SaltySinus
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20 Jan 2015 12:29pm
K Dog said..
Thanks for all the replies.

Appreciated guys.

What size would you go to cover 20+ knots?

Cheers all.


The response you'll probably get is a 9m ish. I have personally chosen 10m as this covers me down to 18knots, thus if step out of the limo at St. K and it's 20knots, it can drop a little and I'm still sweet. If I have a 9m, I'm going no where.
K Dog
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20 Jan 2015 1:14pm
SaltySinus said..

K Dog said..
Thanks salty! Twin tip. Is that a five line? Find that on a crash they are game over when fifth is over the kite



Hey Dog.

Yep, it's one of their idiosyncrasy. Not too much of an issue if you've 6months + under your belt and not doing wildly stupid things... The benefits are almost 100% depower, and a marginally (in my opinion) quicker resolution when you pull the quick release.


And very easy for light wind launching - I learned to light wind start in insanely light wind and the fifth line really helped..... BUT, as I was learning, I managed to wrap it around two days in a row .... and the instructor was like, yep, its fked now, can't do anything but self rescue.
K Dog
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20 Jan 2015 1:16pm
SaltySinus said..

K Dog said..
Thanks for all the replies.

Appreciated guys.

What size would you go to cover 20+ knots?

Cheers all.



The response you'll probably get is a 9m ish. I have personally chosen 10m as this covers me down to 18knots, thus if step out of the limo at St. K and it's 20knots, it can drop a little and I'm still sweet. If I have a 9m, I'm going no where.


I was originally thinking 12,9 and 6........

Windsurfers usually step down their sails in this way.... figured it would be similar..... I have heard smaller kites are much more responsive and quick.... kind of like windsurfing sail sizes.... more twirky.........
K Dog
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20 Jan 2015 1:17pm
r1mick said..
As the others are saying. You'll want around an 11m or 12m. I have a few kites for sale that would be great for you. The Naish Torch is one of the best kites you can get with the most direct bar feel out there. and coz of this, It will improve your riding and kite skills quicker.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Kitesurfing-Kites/~tleqf/2013-Naish-Torch-12-metre.aspx



They look pretty sweet dude........ hmmm....... give it some thought.
SaltySinus
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20 Jan 2015 2:35pm
K Dog said..

SaltySinus said..


K Dog said..
Thanks for all the replies.

Appreciated guys.

What size would you go to cover 20+ knots?

Cheers all.




The response you'll probably get is a 9m ish. I have personally chosen 10m as this covers me down to 18knots, thus if step out of the limo at St. K and it's 20knots, it can drop a little and I'm still sweet. If I have a 9m, I'm going no where.



I was originally thinking 12,9 and 6........

Windsurfers usually step down their sails in this way.... figured it would be similar..... I have heard smaller kites are much more responsive and quick.... kind of like windsurfing sail sizes.... more twirky.........


If you were asking my opinion (and I know you're not), I'd guide you to a 7 over a 6. But that's just my preference.

Good luck with it. I'd suggest you start with a 12m, be prepared to buy a 9 or a 10m and see how often you can't get out for not having something smaller. As a general rule: Summer has less powerful seabreezes 18-22knots, Winter is volatile going from 15knots to 35knots in a blink of an eye.
tomme
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20 Jan 2015 3:58pm
SaltySinus said..

K Dog said..


SaltySinus said..



K Dog said..
Thanks for all the replies.

Appreciated guys.

What size would you go to cover 20+ knots?

Cheers all.





The response you'll probably get is a 9m ish. I have personally chosen 10m as this covers me down to 18knots, thus if step out of the limo at St. K and it's 20knots, it can drop a little and I'm still sweet. If I have a 9m, I'm going no where.




I was originally thinking 12,9 and 6........

Windsurfers usually step down their sails in this way.... figured it would be similar..... I have heard smaller kites are much more responsive and quick.... kind of like windsurfing sail sizes.... more twirky.........



If you were asking my opinion (and I know you're not), I'd guide you to a 7 over a 6. But that's just my preference.

Good luck with it. I'd suggest you start with a 12m, be prepared to buy a 9 or a 10m and see how often you can't get out for not having something smaller. As a general rule: Summer has less powerful seabreezes 18-22knots, Winter is volatile going from 15knots to 35knots in a blink of an eye.


6 is lightnigh quick, 7 seems to be quite a bit slower, even a 7 is ^%&*() quick. great for 40kn + though
RosieKB
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20 Jan 2015 5:16pm
Kiting is lots of fun! All the best with the learning progression.

I started with an 11m as a first kite then 8m for higher wind days and now a 14m for lower ones.


My 11m gets 65% of the use with 8m 25% and the 14m 10%.


I'm around 75kg, as you get better and more confident you will tend to lean toward being more over powered than under powered but starting out my preference was always to be underpowered.

Hope that helps :)

As for brands everyone has an opinion.. I'd try for something newer than 2012 to get you started.


Peahi
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20 Jan 2015 5:33pm
RosieKB said..
Kiting is lots of fun! All the best with the learning progression.

I started with an 11m as a first kite then 8m for higher wind days and now a 14m for lower ones.


My 11m gets 65% of the use with 8m 25% and the 14m 10%.


I'm around 75kg, as you get better and more confident you will tend to lean toward being more over powered than under powered but starting out my preference was always to be underpowered.

Hope that helps :)

As for brands everyone has an opinion.. I'd try for something newer than 2012 to get you started.




I would have thought as you progress you would go to using less kite? For instance all newbies start on 12's (being their only kite) which they invariably fly at 12 o'clock in 30knots. When I was out at Rosie that last 40-degree day there were plenty of 12's out while I was fully lit on a 7m!!

Requires more skill to fly a smaller kite in lighter winds and smaller kite is more fun. Being overpowered on a big kite is not fun.
RosieKB
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20 Jan 2015 6:13pm
HighzaKite said..

RosieKB said..
Kiting is lots of fun! All the best with the learning progression.

I started with an 11m as a first kite then 8m for higher wind days and now a 14m for lower ones.


My 11m gets 65% of the use with 8m 25% and the 14m 10%.


I'm around 75kg, as you get better and more confident you will tend to lean toward being more over powered than under powered but starting out my preference was always to be underpowered.

Hope that helps :)

As for brands everyone has an opinion.. I'd try for something newer than 2012 to get you started.





I would have thought as you progress you would go to using less kite? For instance all newbies start on 12's (being their only kite) which they invariably fly at 12 o'clock in 30knots. When I was out at Rosie that last 40-degree day there were plenty of 12's out while I was fully lit on a 7m!!

Requires more skill to fly a smaller kite in lighter winds and smaller kite is more fun. Being overpowered on a big kite is not fun.



I'd say a 12m kite in 30knots while learning is perhaps - dangerous?

Each to his own I guess but I'd rather be towards the over rather than underpowered end of the spectrum now..

While learning I always tried to be on the smallest kite out.. worst that can happen on a small kite is I go down wind and have to walk back..


A guy asked me to launch him the other day on a 12m with most out on 8's (no idea how to de-power his own kite) I suggested he might like to wait till the wind drops and I landed his kite for him...! Talk about an accident waiting to happen!


K Dog
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21 Jan 2015 12:39am
RosieKB said..

HighzaKite said..


RosieKB said..
Kiting is lots of fun! All the best with the learning progression.

I started with an 11m as a first kite then 8m for higher wind days and now a 14m for lower ones.


My 11m gets 65% of the use with 8m 25% and the 14m 10%.


I'm around 75kg, as you get better and more confident you will tend to lean toward being more over powered than under powered but starting out my preference was always to be underpowered.

Hope that helps :)

As for brands everyone has an opinion.. I'd try for something newer than 2012 to get you started.






I would have thought as you progress you would go to using less kite? For instance all newbies start on 12's (being their only kite) which they invariably fly at 12 o'clock in 30knots. When I was out at Rosie that last 40-degree day there were plenty of 12's out while I was fully lit on a 7m!!

Requires more skill to fly a smaller kite in lighter winds and smaller kite is more fun. Being overpowered on a big kite is not fun.




I'd say a 12m kite in 30knots while learning is perhaps - dangerous?

Each to his own I guess but I'd rather be towards the over rather than underpowered end of the spectrum now..

While learning I always tried to be on the smallest kite out.. worst that can happen on a small kite is I go down wind and have to walk back..


A guy asked me to launch him the other day on a 12m with most out on 8's (no idea how to de-power his own kite) I suggested he might like to wait till the wind drops and I landed his kite for him...! Talk about an accident waiting to happen!




Agree with the small size gear comment, at least in windsurfing, some of the most skills guys are so efficient in their technique, they get going and can even go faster than an average guy on bigger gear.

When learning we had to try and get going with 12m in really light winds with good technique, the more experienced guys had 14m and were just waiting for wind.... I figure if you are good you'd get going before beginners on even smaller gear?
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