Kiteboarding in VIC - some advice?

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simmo89
simmo89
VIC
4 posts
VIC, 4 posts
31 Dec 2013 1:24am
Hey guys and girls,

So I am yet another guy looking to get into this sick looking sport that is kiteboarding. I have a cousin who's mad on the sport and, well, it just looks like epic fun.

That being said, I've obviously seen and comprehend some of the hazards that come hand in hand with the sport, hence my signing up and this post really.. Was just looking for any friendly advice that you guys might have to give, and thanks in advance!! Definitely wanna get some decent lessons and do it right from the beginning.

I've just moved from QLD to VIC for uni and I've got a background in surfing and quite a bit of wakeboarding having grown up on the gold coast. So I'm hoping a lot of the board skills will transfer.. would I be somewhat right here? Flying kites on the other hand is where I'm really going to need to develop my skills.

That in mind, I was after any advice on kite schools. I've been reading through the forums and getting mixed reviews on the system/ various schools/ seemingly commercialised/'money grabbing' way the schools are run?? any input would be appreciated.

As I've just moved interstate I'm not really gonna have any kiting buddies to get out riding with and get advice from etc. but I was kinda getting the impression kiting is a pretty friendly/welcoming community and making friends to get out isn't so hard? (so long as you're not a complete donkey!!) haha

another question regarding VIC. What is the chance my QLD blood will survive winter kiting?? Do many people get out kiting in winter and what kinda gear are you rocking? Just a thick steamer?

Another noob question, are winds generally a lot lighter in winter? And on a similar note, I weigh 80kg. Is it likely something like a 7m and 11m kite would get me everything i need? Or is an 11m kite gonna be too powerful for a beginner?

And would riding a 138 liquid force watson wakeboard (no fins, and its pretty slippery) be advisable for me?

Thanks in advance for anyone who has the time to shed any light for me!

Cheers
Simon
tarzan
tarzan
VIC
133 posts
VIC, 133 posts
31 Dec 2013 9:35am
Hey Simon,

Welcome to Victoria !
If you are getting into kiting, Port Phillip bay is an excellent place to be.

Winter kiting is fine and you should survive just fine - just wear a wetsuit. I wear a 3:2 in winter and it does me just fine. Last year I invested in a beanie too which was great on really cold mornings kiting before work. Standby for all sorts of advice on drysuits and thicker wetsuits - but I reckon a 3:2 is the minimum you can get by with.
I have a full time job and 2 kids so time is at a premium, but I still manage to get out about twice a week in summer and every 2 weeks in winter. With a Uni schedule you should be able to get out about once a week in winter and heaps in summer (3-4 times a week). A thick steamer would be ambitious in my mind - but you can try it and grab a wetsuit if it doesn't work out for you.

Winds in winter are more frontal (ie. not as consistent and more gusty) and can pack more of a punch (colder temperature, more dense air or something - someone wrote about it in this forum somewhere). If you really want to look at the data, go here for the averages - www.baywx.com.au/fbeacon.JAN.html

In terms of kite sizing, I put together some data a while back based on a lot of peoples opinions
kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/choosing-the-right-kite-size
An 11m and an 8m would be ideal for your weight - but you won't go far wrong with 11 and 7. Just make sure you get a kite that is less than 4 years old so that it has sufficient safety features.

I've never tried a wakeboard with a kite - I think it would be a struggle for a beginner - you would probably want something a bit bigger to start off with.

The handbook above has other info for beginners - best of luck !

Stuart

Eaglelad
Eaglelad
VIC
119 posts
VIC, 119 posts
31 Dec 2013 10:56am
The watson hybrid is what I ride, but you would definitely want to invest in a proper kite board with straps for your first 6 months minimum.
11 would definitely be your go to kite most of summer and then get a 9/8
axion
axion
VIC
144 posts
VIC, 144 posts
31 Dec 2013 12:15pm
^^ I would be inclined to go for 12/9 size kites, I am only 70kg and I use my 12 heaps. Plus if you end up using your hybrid board that will have heaps of rocker and it will need plenty of power to get you up and planing and keep you there. Also if you are learning it is alot easier to kite powered up than it is trying to work a kite to generate power in marginal winds.
Forcetwelve
Forcetwelve
TAS
170 posts
TAS, 170 posts
31 Dec 2013 2:49pm
Welcome mate. A word of warning - this sport is very addictive! I will let the experts discuss boards and kite sizes, but in terms of schools, gokite on st kilda beach are great. Kate and Jim had me riding in 5hours and I still see them each time I head down for a session - great guys.

It's a friendly community for sure. Always someone willing to give you some advice or help launch/land etc - a lot more hospitable than surfing (which I've done for 20 years).

Happy days and enjoy.
salt
salt
VIC
617 posts
VIC, 617 posts
31 Dec 2013 4:23pm
Get lessons. Buy a used 12/9. Go for 4 line kites. 5 lines are annoying to set up. Don't get a c kite ...unless you totally want o get straight into freestyle. C-kites have lesss wind range and do not "depower" as welll/not as safe for begginers. In your 2nd/3rd year if you want to get em, go for it.

Your better off with a hybrid or bridled c. Suggest: Slingshot RPM, North Dice, Cabrinha crossbow.

Kite school: Kite Republic. biggest and best. Only school with follow up support like: Weekend getaways, Kite club, once a month pub meet -up/ best way to meet people.

It's where i got my lessons and have been freinds with the crew ever since.

simmo89
simmo89
VIC
4 posts
VIC, 4 posts
31 Dec 2013 6:20pm
Hey all,

just a collective thank you to everyone who has given us some advice!

Have definitely got a whole lot to think about!

Hope everyone has a great new year and def looking forward to meeting some kiters, and hopefully soon (once I get back to Melbourne) putting a kite of my own in the air!

Simon
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
31 Dec 2013 9:27pm
I moved from Vicco to QLD-o to get more nicer consistent winds. Boy did I ever! It's great up here, so I hope you come back soon.
But seriously, yeah getting lessons is all fine and good but really, it's not necessary.
I can hear the ooohs and ahhhs and b*sht coming already!
Trust me, lessons are over rated. Yeah I know I advocated for them in the past with other beginners in here, but after a lot of time out in the water and seeing how so called 'qualified' punks get the chance to kite let alone teach it, is beyond me. They make more mistakes than a bunch of kindergarten kiddies with kites and handles! You name it! Wrong location, wrong advice, and worst of all they forget to teach the basics of kite safety such as self-rescue - a MUST in any lesson. Ok, I am generalising. Not all trainers are bad, but I have seen some pretty bad kooks out there that should know better.
So my point is, yeah get a lesson(s), learn the basics, but once you know what a kite is, how to hook up, controlling it in reasonable "beginner friendly" winds (say under 18knots), then it's really a matter of you getting out there and practicing.
I know it sounds clich?? , but until you're out there experiencing the winds, chop, other kiters, kite control, water dragging, safety and of course self-rescue, no trainer in the world can open the door for you.
And above all, as soon as those yuppies start offering you after the lessons, that you should buy their gear and that their gear is the best, perfect for you and $2500 later - Nah! Stay well away!
Just be patient with it and practice. Stay safe.
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
1 Jan 2014 1:03pm
Getting lessons is essential. I think its like learning to drive a car or motorbike - there is a lot of power in a kite.

Ask around to get recommendations on the best kitesurfing school to use - they have different techniques and instructors.

Make sure they teach you self rescue and safety procedures. If they say they don't do this then find another school.

Once you have 3-5 lessons you can continue to learn yourself, but be aware that close to or on the shore is the most dangerous place to be with a kite. Its best to have a buddy around keeping and eye on you and to assist if you need it.

Winter is great fun once you have some experience and can handle frontal winds. I use a 3/2 wetsuit too.

Melbourne is one of the best places in the world for kitesurfing - the bay provides locations for every wind direction if you are happy to travel.
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