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djdojo
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11 Nov 2010 5:52pm
Is this the worst start to a summer ever? About two real seabreezes so far and a crap forecast for the next week too. Is this some larger-scale weather cycle, or just bad luck? I'm going slightly freakin mad at a time of year when there should be 3 or 4 good evening sessions each week.
Big eeeZeee
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11 Nov 2010 5:56pm
yeah not good. Think it was much warmer this time of year, last year. Although I have managed to get out the past few weekends. Might have to get me a 20m doona
djdojo
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11 Nov 2010 7:08pm
At 5:55pm, 15knots NNW at StKilda, 13knots SSE at Fawkner. That, my friends is some funky f#*cked up weather.
sleek1
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11 Nov 2010 8:29pm
been getting some awesome easterlies down the local.Cant remember the seabreezes starting this early in melbs.pretty normal conditions. Why dont you go kite the northilies that have been hitting port phillip?
Aorta
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11 Nov 2010 8:47pm
its a fkn conspiracy!

Nah but i was warned it was gonna be like this, but of course my optimism ignored it. Its apparently due to the La Nina weather cycle which means a cooler and wetter Victorian Summer than when El Nino is in effect

tbh im surprised you aren't aware of this situation Mr Dojo, heres some further reading on the subject for you or anyone else interested.

www.heraldsun.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

This article was published on the 24th June 2010 and seems like the weather man got it right so far!

GET ready for a wet late winter and a soaked spring and summer - "The Little Girl" could be back.
The Bureau of Meteorology believes a La Nina, Spanish for The Little Girl, is more likely than not to form before the end of winter.

La Ninas, a little understood weather phenomenon in which a massive pool of warmer than normal water builds off northeastern Australia in the Coral Sea, can bring a massive increase in rainfall and more cyclones.

At the very least, La Ninas bring greater than average rainfall to eastern Australia.

"Computer model forecasts show a significant likelihood of a La Nina in 2010," Dr Andrew Watkins, Manager of the Bureau's Climate Prediction Services, said.

A weather bureau spokeswoman added of the phenomenon yesterday: "Historically, La Nina events have often brought above average rainfall to much of Australia, particularly inland eastern and northern regions.

"Widespread wet conditions and flooding events have accompanied a number of La Nina events in the past - substantial flooding hit NSW and Queensland in 1998, while the event of 1988-89 saw flooding in SA and Victoria.

"Night temperatures are also usually warmer than average."

While beach tourism operators may moan, farmers will greet a possible La Nina with delight because of the phenomenon's link to inland rain.

Scientists are still not exactly sure what triggers La Ninas, but every three to seven years or so the differences of barometric pressure between the eastern and western sides of the Pacific increases.

Westerly flowing trade winds intensify and, combined with ocean currents, push more and more warm surface water up against the landmasses in the western Pacific - Australia, PNG, Indonesia, the Philippines, Korea, China and Japan.

As the hugely swollen pool of warm ocean water evaporates, the resulting heavy rain is blown across eastern Australia.

More wet weather is forecast this week. There'll be showers today and a rare dry day tomorrow but on the weekend a classic cold front will cross the state.

Rain and top temperatures of about 18C to 19C are forecast for Saturday while Sunday will bring showers and maximums of 15C.




tarzan
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11 Nov 2010 9:52pm
Couldn't agree more - this has been the dodgiest start to a season in a very long time - at least the last 7 years that I've been kiting. And Dr Watkins (ie. the man behind http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/bay.html) says its bad hes gotta be hurting too.
Not much to do but get to somewhere real windy on the weekends - we were down at Inverloch for the Melbourne cup weekend for a fantastic 3 days of wind. Maybe Sandy point is the answer....

I've got so desperate I've even considered getting one of these
sleek1
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11 Nov 2010 10:37pm
pretty norm not to get that much seabreeze before mambo.or corona as its called..Been that way for as long as i remember.

I hear its been kiteable down south of poser land on the bay a lot tho?Maybe you guys need to get out.
deanrobi
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12 Nov 2010 11:01pm
You want to come down to the Peninsular, we have been getting on average three kites a week. Still no real seabreezes as of yet though.
Peterc150
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13 Nov 2010 11:02am
Here is a kiting shots in the great wind around Cup Weekend at Inverloch.



More photos here: www.peterskiteboarding.com/2010/11/cranking-upwind-at-inverloch-to-surf.html

Gusty and flukey at Gnotuk Ave last weekend - the northerly varied from 25 knots back to 10! Cross offshore is dicey if you ditch your kite. Caution is definitely a must.

Rye and the Peninsula is better and safer - but a much longer drive
Big eeeZeee
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17 Nov 2010 5:30pm
Wind looks crapola for the rest of the week...

Might have to venture out west over the weekend
Saffer
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17 Nov 2010 7:33pm
I have a brand 23.5m contra I bought for $50 with a new bar, lines and pump. I figured it was worth the buy just for the bar and lines but now I reckon its going to be my primary kite for this season.

Now to pick the day for the official unveiling. I may need to pump it up over 3 days so I don't get too tired to kite but this is apparently what it looks like when its inflated:



KnutH
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17 Nov 2010 8:05pm
If I use that dinosaur as a light wind kite (which is probably the intended use), will I ever be able to relaunch it?
Hangtime might be decent though..
Saffer
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17 Nov 2010 8:49pm
KnutH said...

If I use that dinosaur as a light wind kite (which is probably the intended use), will I ever be able to relaunch it?
Hangtime might be decent though..


It has recon which allows it to relaunch in 8 knots. cabrinha would never lie about that.



djdojo
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17 Nov 2010 9:06pm
Hebejebus that's a scary looking monster! Are there any instances of someone using one and living to tell the tale?

Saffer, if you do get out on it please get someone to film it.

Meantime, does anyone know if this La Nina means crap wind all summer?
Saffer
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17 Nov 2010 9:12pm
djdojo said...

Hebejebus that's a scary looking monster! Are there any instances of someone using one and living to tell the tale?

Saffer, if you do get out on it please get someone to film it.

Meantime, does anyone know if this La Nina means crap wind all summer?


I used to ride the 19.5 many years ago in light wind when I used to live inland. Not sure what the 23.5 will be like but if no wind appears tomorrow, I might take it for a session at StK during the day.
KnutH
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17 Nov 2010 9:47pm
If you wanna see a real dude's kite (28m!) in action...
Boring video though, unless you understand the German soundtrack
Big eeeZeee
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17 Nov 2010 11:32pm
^^^^^^^
Fully peaking! Epic sound track...


About time you got on a Cab Saffer

yeah, what DJDODO said! Is the whole season going to be crap or what?????
Aorta
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18 Nov 2010 1:08am
'fraid so, La Nina will mess up the usual pattern of seabreezes we are used to here in Melbourne, however expect more northerlies, could be a good summer to spend in Rosebud/Rye.

Heres a long range weather forecast site i found, cant vouch for its accuracy though
www.weather-climate.com/mel.html

30 DAY OUTLOOK FOR MELBOURNE:

Today's scientists talk in terms of the continent's large climate variability from season to season, and from year to year. What causes these fluctuations? They are, in part, connected with the climate phenomenon called the Southern Oscillation, a major air pressure shift between the Asian and east Pacific regions whose best-known extremes are El Niño events and La Niña events. The Pacific Ocean is a huge mass of water which controls many climate features in its region. Its equatorial expanse, far larger than the Indian or Atlantic Oceans, is critical to the development of the Southern Oscillation and the El Niño and the La Niña. The Multivariate ENSO (El Niño Southern Oscillation) Index, which combines the Sea Surface Temperature (SST) distribution across the Pacific with various features of the atmospheric circulation, is used to monitor the evolution of the El Niño and Southern Oscillation phenomena. The MEI is a bimonthly index which is calculated at the end of each month. The most recent MEI is -1.911 standard deviations. This reflects a very strong La Niña event. This most recent value may be adjusted by taking into account the values of the Southern Oscillation Index averaged over the past 30 and 90 days to yield a more representative expected current value of the MEI. The expected MEI is -1.84 standard deviations. This would reflect a very strong La Niña event.

Another region of Sea Surface Temperature variability that impacts on Australian climate is that of the Indian Ocean. One mode of variability that appears to affect Australian rainfall, particularly the south east of the country, is the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD). The IOD referred to here is defined by an index that is the difference between SST in the western (50°-70°E, 0°S-10°N) and eastern (90°-110°E, 10°-0°S) tropical Indian Oceans. A positive Indian Ocean Dipole Mode Index (DMI) occurs when the western basin is warmer than average and the eastern basin is cool and hence the DMI is positive. These regions were proposed in a paper by Saji et al. (1999) on the Indian Ocean Dipole that showed a modulation in Australian seasonal rainfall with DMI positive and negative years. The current Indian Ocean Dipole Mode Index (DMI) is -1.46 standard deviations. This reflects a strongly negative Indian Ocean Dipole.

Also impacting upon Australian climate variability is a phenomenon known as the Intra Seasonal Oscillation (ISO) (also known as the Madden-Julian Oscillation (MJO), after Madden and Julian, who first identified it in the early 1970s). They discovered that, at many locations in the tropics, surface pressure and upper atmospheric winds tend to go through a coherent cycle over periods of about 40 to 50 days. It has been found that a broad area of active cloud and rainfall propagates eastwards around the equator at intervals of between about 40 and 50 days. These are not strict time limits - research over the years has pushed the limits of the oscillation's period to between about 30 and 60 days. The Madden-Julian Oscillation (MJO) is presently operating in Phase 8. This is reflected in the near-equatorial enhanced convection being found over the over the Western Hemisphere (South America). Following Phase 8, the region of enhanced convection over South America often moves to Africa.

In Melbourne, at this time of the year, a combination of the MEI, the DMI, and the MJO Phase, such as what we have operating now, suggests, over the following 30 days:

RAINFALL: There is a 51% chance of it being wet, a 31% chance of normal rainfall, and a 18% chance of it being dry.
djdojo
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18 Nov 2010 10:31am
Thanks for the research Aorta, but bummer about the results. I thought we were far enough west not to be so effected by the pacific temps. Guess not.

AAARRRGGGHH!!
djdojo
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18 Nov 2010 7:54pm
Aaahh! Best session in ages this arvo. Stoked! Steadiest 20 knots I've kited in a long while. If La Nina can line up some more of them, I'm all for it.
Taurus
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18 Nov 2010 10:40pm
Yes today was ok, but its not as good as a seabreeze on a nice warm sunny day.
Aorta
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19 Nov 2010 10:57am
Next weeks temperature are looking good for afternoon ............. fingers crossed and shhh
Saffer
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19 Nov 2010 11:35am
It was great to get out but a good reminder of why I dislike StK so much. Even when it was early and there were few people on the water, there were still way too many people who had no idea of basic right of way rules or the kite high/low rule. I had someone jump when I was riding past him upwind where I had my kite high and was forced to lift it higher to make sure he didn't hit it when his kit hit 12 o clock for the jump. A whole length of water to jump but he felt it was critical to jump at the moment I rode past upwind of him.
Beersy
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19 Nov 2010 10:38pm
So good today.. First time i've been out in ages, due to chest infection. I think i'll be buzzing all night.

Looking good for sea breezes for the next few days at least.
axis
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20 Nov 2010 9:00am
missed last night - need to ditch the job. It's just not lining up for me at the monent.

for today: Variable winds to 10 knots tending southerly during the afternoon and freshening to 15 to 20 knots before easing to 10 to 15 knots at night.

Might squeeze one in later.
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