Brakes? What brakes?

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bludbunny
bludbunny
QLD
43 posts
QLD, 43 posts
5 Jan 2010 8:36pm
Hi guys

My yacht is finished, but I did not put a hand brake on it as mentioned in Landyachts write up. Would this be recommended? I will be using on the beach, not salt flats.
Haven't had a chance to test it (holidays too short, now back at work)
I have also seen around a couple of people have made hand brakes that press against the tyres. Is this a better option than digging into the sand?
Brett
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
6 Jan 2010 9:34am
Over the years many different brake systems have been tried but most only seem to work as the last bit to stop.

The "Drag" brake as on the LLMini plans seems to work OK on beaches and salt lakes with a soild surface, but don't use them on mud lakes of thin crusted surfaces as they will damage the surface.

The "Tyre drag" type on the rear wheels are better on fragile surfaces and are often used in racing to stop a wheel to do super tight turns around markers, I've seen a front tyre drag type on a class5 but that didnt work that well due to light down force on that wheel.

I've used bicycle caliper brakes on a couple of yachts and yes they stop the front wheel turning but that also stops effective steering as well with the skidding tyre.

Blokarts use a Disc brake type which looks good but how they survive long term in salt and sand time will tell.

So to answer your question it depend on the surface and how effective you want it to be... but beginners like them and some clubs insist or recomend them.
The best thing I have found as a parking / rigging yacht brake is an old car tyre that one of the yachts tyres drops into.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
6 Jan 2010 6:18pm
to be effective when sailing the club 88 style friction brake to the rear wheel or wheels is about the best for a gravelly or hard surface, the stick brake(LLM plans) is great on salt and sand or mud. for DRYmud/clay I would go the wheel brake.
brakes on the front , as Gizmo said have a reduced effectivness due to the low weight,, and of course remove the steering option, I think the ones Ive seen on fives are just for parking up. i have seen a few M/C and scooter wheels used and the internal drum brakes employed, the owners reckon they are brilliant, but personally I reckon its just too much weight to be putting there
those fancy discs on the blokarts come with a warning not to use them on sand.
dont forget you should always stop pointing into the wind so pushing the boom out and aerobraking is another option
bludbunny
bludbunny
QLD
43 posts
QLD, 43 posts
6 Jan 2010 8:37pm
ok cool. Considering I have not had time to get out yet, I can see myself ploughing into someone accidentally. The plan of course is to reduce the chances of this. It is a very quiet beach I will be testing on, but always have to be ready for any possibility.
Forgot that the sail is a large air brake [}:)]
I think I'll get the welder out and chuck that hand brake on still....

Brett
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
6 Jan 2010 6:38pm
HI Brett
I started off with a brake on the front tyre on my class5 as it was part of the design and found it next to useless for the reasons Gizmo has said and I took it off
Noone I have sailed with on beaches uses a brake
Putting the yacht into a slide or into the soft stuff at the top of the beach or
inadvertantly on occasion into the ocean when I couldnt get around a mark between sweepers has always stopped me pretty quick!
Sailing on hard surfaces could be a different matter though
Cheers Hiko
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
6 Jan 2010 6:59pm
hikos got a point, the tyre brakes on a club 88 are really only seen on that lake.
normally I dont bother.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
6 Jan 2010 9:42pm
landyacht said...

hikos got a point, the tyre brakes on a club 88 are really only seen on that lake.
normally I dont bother.

Tyre brakes might not work well on tyres that are wet and or muddy / sandy ... anyone tried with these conditions?

kiwi307
kiwi307
488 posts
488 posts
7 Jan 2010 4:37am
I have used a variety. The drag on the ground works fine on sand, don't use them on dry lakes as the custodians of the venues don't like them torn up (and fair enough too). I have put a bit of car tyre on the end for tarmac surfaces and airfields, this works well. You can spin a class 3 to a halt from flat out in a short distance when you have taken enough brave pills (inside 25 metres comfortably) but I would not suggest this till you have a bit of experience!
The major reason that any European based yacht has a brake is cos the rules require one. Doesn't give any means for testing effiency though! On a full body yacht I reckon they are essential, some of the venues have given an area designated for where you can go to slow down enough to park safely in "the good old days" and then it doesn't matter too much that you have a patch of "torn up".
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
7 Jan 2010 11:44am
I wouldnt recommend using a "lefroy mini" type stick brake on grass ovals- at least not when council gardeners are watching

I only did it once, and it stopped me embarrasingly fast- and I managed to patch up the damage pretty quick, luckily the council bloke was busy checking out the yacht and not his lawn...
bludbunny
bludbunny
QLD
43 posts
QLD, 43 posts
9 Jan 2010 10:15am
Hey
This will give me something to do this morning with this rain hanging around. I'll put the LLM handbrake on, I'll be on fairly soft sand -> hardened wet sand so it should at least help with when i am trying to rig it up.
Brett
iand
iand
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
11 Jan 2010 1:43am
Had a brake on the front end and was using it on concrete. Result- little reduction in speed ,and finally locked up and it got real hairy-removed it that day (as gizmo said "yes they stop the front wheel turning but that also stops effective steering as well with the skidding tyre")
I love sliding the rear, but the front has to go where you point it.
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