I am more than happy with the mini dimensions, just that other contributors have suggested that they should fit Class 6, so I wanted to be totally clear.

Thank you Cisco. Those NZ class 6 rules are correct. As far as I know no one ever built one, so it just shows how popular they were. Then Paul Beckett came along with his little Blokart sized yacht and they sold like hot cakes as they were easy to transport and easy to sail. The NZLYA have a "Mini class". The size was based on the Blokart trolly size. There is no mention of wheel size either. I cant locate the document at the moment but I shall hunt them out. My Mini will fit both NZ Mini & LLMini specs.
Anyway... Stop talking about it and start building!!!

I reckon that Paul Beckett has got it just about right. Ive built a couple of smaller yachts( youll hear me refer to microyachts)but I have found them that bit too fragile to sail, they slam dunk you , they are too light to throw around on a tight course.
when they capsize you cant help but get a knock off the ground. with your taller wheels you will inevitably smack your head on one
In Nappy rush , I was able to drift steer into the really fast downwind marks and reverse the airflow on the sail so that you could come out of the turns without loosing ground downwind.with a smaller yacht your just too light, and would invariably capsize .
keep in mind that packed down the only bits that were longer than 1m were the boom,sail and mast sections,
last time I saw a Ludic I think that it was wider than long. they go like the clappers, so maybe the ratio rule falls down as the yachts get smaller

Gizmo said...

So just a question about the Mini rules from Dave Webster, are these the rules that were passed under the cover of darkness and so the Pheonix land yacht (the one Dave builds and sells?) fits into an Australian class?

yes

In the time (approx 1.5yrs) that I have been contributing to the Seabreeze Forum not once have I claimed to be a "fully paid up member of ALSA". I have also been very open in the fact that Im passionate about the sport of Landsailing and that I have a proven track record as been active in the formation of ALSA.
I left the sport to raise a family, and until I found the Seabreeze Forum
I assumed (wrongly) the sport had continued to thrive.
I was and continue to be disappointed in the actions of some. A considerable amount of time and effort by many people was put into sport in the early days, to see some areas of the sport in such a poor state disappoints me to say the least.
To imply that because Im not a "fully paid member of ALSA" discounts me from expressing an opinion is highly rude and offensive and believe me at this point Im offended.

All I have ever wanted for the sport is for people to be fair, open, honest and accountable!!!
Gizmo

niaychi, dont be so naive its simple...$$$$$

By the way sorry to be the one to tell you there is no fairies at the bottom of your garden and Easter Bunny isn't the one leaving the eggs....now dont get get me started about the Tooth Fairy thats one big con!!!!!

Sorry about the sarcasm but as i said Im offended

Clemco said...

"Anyway... Stop talking about it and start building!!!"
That comment was not ment for you Cisco. Your mini looks great. Great workshop too. Tell me, are your minis built to the maximum 1500 width? My plans were to keep width to 1300 to 1400 to keep proportion (1:1.25) similar to my class 5. What are your thoughts on that?
I guess I could make it adjustable to experiment with that.

Paul's advice was "Stick to the Plan" which I did and it worked. I haven't even run a tape measure over it to see what the size result was.

cisco said...

Just give Gizmo a few more minutes and he will probably post a web link to a page that will be relevant.

OK just got in from mowing... at last the lawn is green again.
You have lost me on this one cisco, the only mention of size I can recall for the LLMini was in the building link
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=33825
or "Lake Lefroy MINI specs and reasons"
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39791

Clemco, I don't think you are quite getting the point or say philosophy behind Paul's design of the LLF Mini. Click on the link to get it from the horse's mouth. It got buried in the forum and should be made a sticky next to his build thread.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39791

Edit:- This is the same link that Gizmo put in his post above.

You are mentioning a "maximum length and breadth" for an LLF Mini. The LLF Mini has a length and breadth which is it's maximum and minimum. I am not saying "Don't experiment."

What I am saying is that if you digress from the design parameters it will then be a "Clemco Mini".

With "Diablo" I stuck to Paul's plan except for a couple of very minor construction details which were easier for me to do than the way he had done them.

I am very pleased with the overall result and I am hard pushed to think of how it could be improved without designing a whole new yacht which Paul has done since then. The result is "Nappy Rush".

One little variation I would suggest is having two bolts holding the seat back support in it's socket. The sheeting pulls the support up when you pull it up hard. It is annoying to the pilot and will stretch the socket to a bellmouth shape eventually.

One of the beauties of the design is that the rear wheel base can be varied by drilling extra holes in the axle extension or even having different length sets of them.

I hope you are going to take plenty of photos and post them. I feel sure that you will do something different that we will all learn from. Cheers Cisco

Can i suggest that all the posts regarding conflicts of rules etc be deleted or copied over to the general saction so that the building mini magic thread can become just that.
please .
I"ll start it

landyacht said

In my opinion1510mm is just about right.
realistically the size of the yachts is getting too small for stays. but the width/length is just nice.
trust me



OK, I am happy with that. I will post a plan in a few days.

I also would like all the bush lawyers & politicians to keep off this thread, thank you.

CLUTZ! now theres a good name for a mini!
I left the critical dimensions off Nappy Rush, so that people would have to THINK about what they were doing rather than having the luxury of all the plans and instructions laid out before them
sonetimes you have to do the hard yards to get out front!
in fact Ive probably let too much slip already. could it be that my reign as Australias second greatest landsailor could come to an end

I se no problem meeting al the mini/class6 rules. All you need is an adjustable trolly and a few sails. Wots the problem?
Clem.

OK Here's mu plan.

It may get changed as I'm building it but that's what I'm aiming at.
The sail I have is 3.0m2 and 1200 wide at the foot.

landyacht said...

kiwi307 said...

Plan??? Too hard, chalk on the floor works well for me.

I tend to black marker pens , so you can build another ,if its a good one

I never finished one before the "improvements" were in my mind! In the heyday it was a new one, sail it, do well, sell it, build a new one about every 2 weeks.
That was when I could score points with the management by putting $$$ INTO the housekeeping from building sandcarts!
Then of course came the production yachts so I had to be a bit cautious on having a yacht that went better than what I was marketing!