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Windcrazy
Windcrazy
89 posts
89 posts
12 Apr 2009 6:05am
Been windsailing for about 3 years and a dealer for sirocco landsailers in the state of washington USA We are 70 miles from the pacific ocean on the columbia river.
Enough about me, by the way, your forum is great!!!! A buddy of mine gave me 6 old windsurfing sails and I want to use the on my sprint and twin. This is how I found your forum I,m having a hard time understanding the article that paul put on the forum as I do not understand metric. I have been a custom cabinet builder all my life and it is hard to convert at my age. By the way, we were at ivanpah dry lake when richard jenkins broke the record. "WOW" We go there twice a year for a factory fun sail. Anyway, keep up the good work on the forum. Any input would be great.

Windcrazy
Wind & Sand Landsailers
Longview Wa USA
j murray
j murray
SA
947 posts
SA, 947 posts
12 Apr 2009 9:02am
windcrazy gidday,
metric is like this........1inch = 25mm
..............................2inch = 50mm
...............................4 inch = 100mm
...............................12 inches = 310mm
Or there abouts, near enough for us aussie builders . the only thing we use our feet for is walking , or better still, steering in our land yachts .
Welcome and enjoy, im fairly new in this forum [ a couple of months ] and am still learning my way around, there are some real informative guys, that know their eggs who help a lot of people. I am sure that they will catch up with you as soon as they get back from their easter holiday break weekend sailing. this is a four day lay off over here.
Everyone except us oldies heads for the bush, scrub, donga, outback, beaches, hills and wherever they can get away from work to do there own thing.
They'll be back soon, ...cheers for now...walkaboutjoe
Kody
Kody
QLD
190 posts
QLD, 190 posts
12 Apr 2009 9:39am
Guddy Walter
Welcome to the forum, you will certainly enjoy the the amount of info here and the wonderful help and ideas from all the guys here. I know exacly what you mean about understanding and using metric units. Even though I used metric units at college for fourteen years, I finished up still having no idea what the units mean or how they are used. Now at my age, I couldn't care less. The only units I ever use (when I have to) are millimeters and I always convert them to inches when I use my lathe as all my tools are Imperial.
If you divide the number of millimeters in any of the drawings by 25.4 you will get inches, a far better and more understandable unit to work with. At our outstanding level of maturity, the wisdom of Imperial units is fully recognised and understood. The problem with the (ignorant) metric system is that the units are either far too big or far too small and have no relevant bearing. A typical exanple is shown by the use of liters (litres). We down here loose hundreds of thousands of "megaliters" of water when the country floods. So how "big" is a megaliter? Now you and I and all other mature people know exactly what an "acre foot" of water is and we can instantly visualise such a volume and apply it to the irrigation of our farmland, but megaliters has no meaning whatsoever. Everybody who has not reached our level of mature understanding tell me, over and over, "Kody, get real, metric units are the best thing out since sliced bread!". One day the truth of the matter will dawn on them all. It's a shame that us wiser and more knowledgeable people are are becoming fewer in number each year.
If you have trouble with any of the drawings, let me know and I will convert them to the correct units for you and send you a CAD drawing dimensioned correctly to explain the construction techniques. To convert square meters to square feet, multiply the square meters by 10.76 and to convert square meters to square yards, multiply by 1.195. The need to carry a calculator around all the time is a real pain but some of us have to carry the nation on our shoulders.
Enjoy the forum,
Kody
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
12 Apr 2009 9:28am
Hello Windcrazy,
My son has the same problem but in reverse he is a cabinet maker and now lives in St Paul Minnesota he grew up with the metric system and now needs to work with feet and inches. He uses a tape measure with both on it.
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
12 Apr 2009 10:22am
Welcome Windcrazy, thanks for the kind words about the forum!!

Luckily we have Kody, and a couple of other mature landsailors here, who speak your "measurement" language and can translate for us.

I must admit I do all of my building and woodwork in metric, but every time someone asks me how big something is, I always seem to say the answer in feet and inches - for example I know I'm 5'10" but I have no idea what I am in cm.

iand
iand
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
12 Apr 2009 11:34am
Just a little correction Phil-mature aged but not mature
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
12 Apr 2009 12:39pm
iand said...

Just a little correction Phil-mature aged but not mature


I resemble that Ian!!!

Kemosabi
Kemosabi
69 posts
69 posts
12 Apr 2009 11:33am
I have to convert everything from metric to English units also.
The forumla is simple: inches = mm / 25.4

Just the other night I converted all Paul's sail measurements by using Excel and the formula above. I built a Mini by converting all the measurements to inches also. Not many metric tape measures to be found around where I live.

There are some good conversion sites on the web too. I use this one often:
www.onlineconversion.com/

Regards
-Nat
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
12 Apr 2009 5:54pm
iand said...

Just a little correction Phil-mature aged but not mature


Bwahahaha!! I was trying to be nice!
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
13 Apr 2009 9:56am
Here is one of the best little conversion programs you will find and you can download it onto your computer. Convert by Joshua F Madison, download it from here joshmadison.com/ .

Happy converting.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
13 Apr 2009 7:25pm
I got caught out buildng a boat in inches.I bought a ruler with inches and mm on each side. after 2 weeks I realized that one side had Japanese inches- divisions in 10ths not 8th of an inch! . I had to rebuild 2 bulkheads as a result
Keep in mind ifthe sail is metric, eg 4.5m, you will need a metric ruler, thread, needles , to recut it
Windcrazy
Windcrazy
89 posts
89 posts
14 Apr 2009 12:20am
Suppose I need metric wind too!
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
14 Apr 2009 7:37am
May as well get used to it its going to happen for you guys anyway
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
14 Apr 2009 10:37am
Yep, the change to metric is only a few feet away...
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
14 Apr 2009 11:03am
And just wait for minute....metric time is next......
zapatopi.net/metrictime/
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
14 Apr 2009 9:34am
The retreat of the feet is almost complete
Windcrazy
Windcrazy
89 posts
89 posts
14 Apr 2009 10:09am
Ya! It's all ready in our vehicles. That's why I don't work on them no more.
There is only so many things you can do with a cresent wrench. Try to post some pics this week-end as the weather is suppose to be warm and windy. What's the best way to make a one peice carbon mast into a two peice. The mast was given to me so the price was right, also got a fiberglass one. The are both 460's, what ever length that is? They are much easier to store as a two peice. How come you guys don't use aluminum tube for your land yacht frames? My sprint only weights about 60 lbs put together, but then when I put my ballast on it, it becomes a anchor. Well enough from this end of thew pond.

PRAY FOR WIND
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
14 Apr 2009 11:00am
Have a look at the thread by landyacht using tapered hardwood joiners
I have just done a three piece to his instructions as my first step toward a mini
Yet to try it but it looks good IMHO Can sympathise with you regarding the cars some of the old cars I used to own you could practically stand alongside the engine under the hood Far cry from today
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
14 Apr 2009 5:16pm
Windcrazy said...

How come you guys don't use aluminum tube for your land yacht frames? My sprint only weights about 60 lbs put together


In Australia aluminium of suitable sizes and grades are VERY hard to find, recently several of the aluminium manufactures / suppliers have combined and further reduced the range of tubing.
Many yachts now sailing in Oz use a torsional frame that allows twist of the main spine tube, and also reduces the pressure on the mast / sail. Buy building the yacht in steel of varing grades enables home builders to construct high performance yachts.
The weight of the Lefroy mini yacht is similar in weight to yours.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
14 Apr 2009 8:35pm
you will find less occasions to use ballast with a torsional framed yacht. Ive not used ballst , even for the kids ,for over 20 years.
A class 5 in all steel chassis(including rear axles) should come in on or under 50kg ( the fisly minimum). If using Ally it will still be 50kg, , the steel was welded with a common stick welder, the ally will need specialized skills
the minis I build weigh in at 28-30kg (60lb) . heaviest components being the wheels. I havent yet been able to buy a lighter wheel that I could afford, but I f the wheel that Pheonix landyachts are advertizing are the ones with the 17mm axle stubb size, then they would be well worth checking out . ( query for DW to answer?). as they are scary light
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