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Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
22 Sep 2009 9:29pm
Why do you guys convert your old windsurfer sails with conventional booms to a single yacht type boom set-up?

cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
23 Sep 2009 4:18am
Hi mate, good question. First of all understand that a wishbone boom is only conventional for a wind surfer.

One of the reasons we have a boom under the sail is that it allows us to put relatively more down haul into the sail which combined with a flexible mast flattens the sail which thereby optimises sail shape for high speed.

In 20 knots of breeze any serious land yacht will achieve 60kmh (32 knots) with ease.

We are shooting for 100kmh plus (54 knots +) as a common event. That speed is not common for a wind or even kite surfer.

My best recorded speed has been 66kmh (35.6 knots) in a blokart but a better sailor or yacht might have gone way beyond that on the day. I dream of twice that speed.

I have been told of a land yacht that was not particularly high tech, that accellerated from a stand still to 100kmh in a shorter distance and less time than a V6 commodore could do it.

Other contributors to this forum could no doubt give you a more specific and detailed answer to your question but I think what I have said is the general gist of it. Cheers Cisco
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
24 Sep 2009 9:34pm
Thank you for the reply.
My curiosity is genuine. I have a landyacht which has been mothballed for a few years and I would like to get it out this summer. I have also been a windsurfing 'nut' for many years, so of course my landyacht has a windsurfer rig.
I have noticed however that the windsurfer sails you guys seem to use are quite old. (based purely on what I have seen on this forum)
The advances in windsurf sail technology and refinement have been significant, particularly within the revitalised discipline of speed/race sailing, driven by the desire of windsurfers also wanting to go even faster.
Has anyone tried a modern windsurfer race sail on a land yacht?



kiwi307
kiwi307
488 posts
488 posts
25 Sep 2009 8:07am
Simple answer is yes they have. What you have probably been looking at is a small yacht which has been evolved as a way to get enthusiastic homebuiders on the ground for not a whole lot of $$.
I am sure I don't need to tell you that new tech sailboard rigs don't fit that criteria!
Also bear in mind that the sails will need to be re-cut anyway. As Cisco says shooting for 100km is common.
Yes I know that new rigs are faster than the old ones, but from everything I have read it's still incremental rather than huge leaps forward (in landyacht terms). Going from 35 miles/hour which was achieved officially on boards in the late 70's here in NZ (over 500metres) has yet to get close to 100km on a board.Current common speed on a sail board is?
Also remember that the rig is not supported about 1500mm from the base as a sailboard rig is.
Sure the newer rigs would probably be better, but performance/$?? A $20 sail is awfully good for what you pay!
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
25 Sep 2009 9:44am
Several guys have tried the mono film sails apparently with good success.
The reason that most of the sails you see are older ones is normally they need to be re-cut.
At times people buy new sails but often with limited results because sailmakers normally have a pre-concieved idea of what you need and cut the sail to suit. Many years ago the sail maker I used was invited out for a sail and from that point his concept of landyacht sails changed radically when he actually experienced it for himself.

A little more discription in the current idea of landyacht sails is that because we sail in winds say of 10kmh and can get to about 6-8 times wind speed, the sail actually needs to change as you sail unlike wet yachts where you can set the rig to a specific wind speed and make minor adjustments as you go along.
As mentioned a landyacht can go from just rolling to 60km/h in perhaps 100m and with that situation the rig need to also change that fast as well.
This is done with mast flex and matching that to the sail as well as the down-haul on the sail which normally forms part of the sheeting system.
Recently I saw a TV program of the sailboard championship from Korea and at speed the top of ALL of the rigs were flapping like flags, which is someting that you cant pick up with still pics on the internet.

One of the (almost) forgotten factors in landsailing is wind drag... have you ever tried putting your arm out the window of a car at 60kmh and see how much drag there is... now imagine the whole body,the yacht and rig?
This actually is probably the most limiting factor we have to deal with.
iand
iand
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
26 Sep 2009 7:31am
Krisiz1 said...


Has anyone tried a modern windsurfer race sail on a land yacht?


not a modified windsurfer sail, but worth checking out
http://www.phoenixlandsailing.com/page/phoenix_sails_and_new_seat.html
I believe reasonably priced
Ian
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