Steel, what is it?

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Kody
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14 Jul 2008 11:59pm
I am so often asked so many questions about steel I thought I would present a run-down on steel in laymans language, here it is. Your questions and comments are very welcome.
A well know statement was "Oils aint oils Sol" and neither is steel, steel.
Steel has been around for a very long time and heaps of info has been written about it. One of the very best reference books is "Machinerys Handbook, edition 24. All previous editions also have a tremendous amount of info on the subject. Steel comes in hundreds of different types. Each one is specificly designed for a particular application. I will only discuss the most common and most used steel types.
The steels discussed are:- Mild Steel, Carbon Steels, High Tensile Steel, Stainless Steel, Alloy and Spring Steel. Steel basiclly consists of two elements, Iron and Carbon. We will ignore most of the other elements that make up Alloy Steel. All steels contain carbon to some some degree. The carbon content ranges from < 0.01% to over 1.5%. A very small amount added makes a huge diference to the steels' properties. Unless you are seeking some specific property of steel, the carbon conten will be ignored for the moment. Mild Steel has very little carbon. It comes in "Black" which is rollled out red hot and "Bright", which is rolled out cold. Bright Mild Steel will warp and twist when you cut it from a sheet. Black MS is very stable and will retain its shape and is easy to weld and braze with brass or bronze rods.
Carbon Steels have more carbon added and they will become very hard (and brittle) when heated and dropped in water or oil. An example is Spring Steel (which is an alloy steel). When the carbon content reaches 0.4%, it can be heat-treated and made hard. As the carbon content increases, so does the difficulty of welding.
High Tensile Steel (eg. 4340) is a special Alloy Steel. It is very strong and can be heat treated to obtain and enhance its properties. There are many alloy steels and each one has a special property.
Stainless Steels are a peculiar combination of different elements. They are designed and created for just one job. To withstand corrosion in different conditions. None of these S/Steels are any good as structural members. Some can be hardened and made into a decent knife but these are the exception. The biggest problem with S/Steel is that it is soft and will stretch.

The most common question I am asked is "How can I heat-treat steel?"
Here then is the biggest can of worms ever I spilt over. To heat-treat properly, you need to be able to measure the (hot) temperatures very accurately. Just as a rough guide, the words:- Pearlite, Austenite, Matensite, Cementite, Critical Temperature, Annealing, Normalizing and many more strange words are precisely just that, strange words! But all these terms are very important and need to be understood. If you cant measure the temperature of the hot steel, then just forget the big strange words for they are all temperature dependent.

So lets use my favorite system of heat-treatment, its called the "TLAR" system and it does work. TLAR stand for:- That Looks About Right.
There are (very) basiclly, only three kinds of steel. One is hardened in water, one in oil and one in air. Forget the last one.
Machinerys Handbook is full of info for heat treatment and will give a recomendation for either water or oil for hardening the steel. Try and get the book from your favorite libary. Having made the part and decided on oil or water to quench it, lets begin the hot part of the process.
It's a great idea (and prefered) to heat the part/s within the confines of some fire bricks. This keeps the heat in and helps uniform heating. An LPG torch is the best way to heat the part. Only use oxy-acetylene if you are very skilled in its use. The job to heat-treat, is a piece of round spring steel about 9mm in diameter and 150mm long. (Hey, that sounds familiar). The first heating is to harden the rod.
Heat the bar untill it's a bright red /dull orange colour, do this in a subdued light. Bright light stops the colour identification. When "TLAR", pick it up at one end and quickly lower it vertically into a can, drum, container of oil. You need an oil with a high flash point. Take it out, wipe the oil off and try to mark it with a file. If the file "sings" over the rod, it is hard. If it bites into the steel, heat the bar again and make it hotter before quenching it. When it is hard, be very carfull as the steel is now very brittle. It must be Tempered. Tempering is simply reheating the part to a specific temerature. As the temperature is increased, so does the hardness decrease. Heat too much and you will be back at square 1 with a soft piece of steel. It will need to be hardened again.
To begin tempering, the steel must be oil free and polished from end to end. Polishing is very important as we will use the colour changes to gauge the temperature of the steel. It is essential that your sticky grotty oily fingers dont touch the clean and polished steel.
Lay the steel on the cool fire bricks and very gently, begin to heat the steel. Keep the flame moving uniformly over the full length of the steel bar. As the steel heats it will turn different colours. The first colour is a pale yellow straw. Then it will darken into a brown/bronze then into a dark blue. From dark blue it goes to purple, light blue, to grey and then to black and then red as in red hot! To give you an idea of the temperature, when its dark blue/purple, its as hot as molten lead. We want to stop heating when it's dark blue, almost purple. When you're satisfied (TLAR) with the temperature, drop it vertically into the oil. Do this tempering stuff three times. Be very carefull to keep the heat to the same degree if you can.
Take the cooled bar, wipe it clean and place it in the vice holding it by about 20 or 25mm. Now get a hammer and smack the bar gently on the end a few times. Yes! really do this. If you have done all the steps correctly, the hammer will bounce/spring off without damage to the bar. The hammer will really fly as you hit the bar. When you do this test, WEAR FACE and EYE protection and also wear stout leather gloves!! If the bar fails this simple (?) test and shatters/snaps, it will take off like a bullet. If it breaks, the bar was not tempered at a high enough temperature. If it bends, it was heated much too much.
The tempering three times is to obtain a uniform heating throughout the length of the bar.
If you are able to obtain some "Temperature Crayons", these will be a great aid to get the hardening and tempering correct. You will also need to know the properties of the steel to simplify the process.
Dont be afraid to try this technique. Practice on an unwanted piece first. When you have mastered the process, a whole new world will open up before you. You can make things like scribers, center punches, chisels, bowie knives and all things that cut and shape other metals.

This has been written for simplicity in understanding steels and heat-treatment. There is so much more to know and understand. I hope the above has filled in a few gaps in your knowledge of steel and has been a great help for you. If your appetite is fully whetted, check out your libary for more detailed info that suits your requirements.

Kody
nebbian
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14 Jul 2008 10:06pm
Thanks Kody, much appreciated
cisco
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15 Jul 2008 8:11pm
Hi Kody,
That was very enlightening as to the hardening and tempering of a piece of spring steel. Your T.L.A.R. sounds like a bit of R.O.T (rule of thumb) to me.

My questions are in relation to the starting point.

1. Are there different grades of spring steel and if so how is the grading defined?

2. When a piece of spring steel is purchased as new stock from a metal merchant, what is its state? That is, does it come to you as a piece of steel that has x% carbon content and x% of x metal as an alloy in this steel but, as yet is still in a soft state that may be easily drilled, tapped, threaded, machined, filed, bent or otherwise cold worked to a desired shape prior to hardening and tempering? I guess what all that means is, is it in an annealed state?

3. If it isn't in an annealed state, what is required to make the metal workable?

4. Lastly, what are the limitations on working of spring steel as referred to above. I would imagine that sharp corners at high stress point are to be avoided for one. I would also imagine that after hardening and tempering any threads would need a recut which probably would not be possible with a standard tap or die. Is threading of spring steel something that should be avoided where possible, or, is it something that should be designed out of spring steel components, or, is this something that can be accommodated by selective/localised hardening and tempering/annealing???

Cheers from Cisco. P.S. Haven't seen recent posts on your project. How goes the progress pilgrim??
landyacht
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15 Jul 2008 8:17pm
now thats what I call a post.
. a personal hint. when polishinga large piece of spring steel ready to temper,Make sure you wear safety glasses. I was polishing a broadaxe blade and a sliver came off and passed thru my left earlobe and I didnt feel it! first I knew about where the shard had gone was when I noticed the patch of blood on my shoulder.
Strangely the edge of the axe needed to be reshaped and that accidentally improved its cutting ability
cisco
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16 Jul 2008 12:55am
You're right on with the safety glasses Paul. Most of the industrial sites in Gladstone now require wearing of full goggles everywhere except indoors ie offices, crib rooms or dunnies.

I think even private health insurance would wipe you if you suffered an eye injury while mowing the yard without eye protection, let alone the home work shop.
Kody
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17 Jul 2008 10:35am
Hi guys
Thanks for the feedback and comments
Answers for Cisco:-
There are many spring steels listed in Machinery Handbook, about nine or more of the most common and not so common. There are seven stainless steel alloys, three copper based alloys and around ten nickel alloys listed in the M/H. Copper based spring alloys are very expensive and any that contain beryllium are toxic. One of the very best stainless steel alloys for springs is the solid hard S.S. wire used for fishing traces. It is usually coloured a rich plumb shade. This wire is produced as cold drawn. Any heating will destroy (anneal) the spring qualities. I have used it for special springs in guns and RC aeroplane parts very successfully. The grading of spring steel is defined by the specific elements that go into the composition (the recipe) and also what the spring will be used for. Eg. Spring steel - A229 should not be used for shock and impact above 175 deg C or in sub-zero conditions.

Spring steel always comes as fully annealed stock. It may be worked with any hand or machine tool. It is especialy easy to shape a part with a hacksaw and a file/s. ALL bending of the part being made MUST be done at red heat. This is easy to do and very successful. Cold bending will induce "work hardening" and small radius bends will often fracture. When I worked as a gunsmith, I made many single leaf flat "hair-pin" shot gun springs. These were bent like a hairpin and closed flat at the bend. They were then machined in the lathe, shaped to a special hook at the end, tapered,polished and hardened/tempered. I could make one in under two hours to even just one hour, it depended on how complex the spring was.

Polishing
When polishing a small precision spring prior to teat-treatment, the "polishing lines" should run from end to end. If you polish by sliding emery tape along a revolving round part, the circumferential lines actualy form a stress point where a fracture can/will develop. After polishing in a drill or lathe etc, hand finish the part with wet and dry with longitudinal rubbing. This may not always be possible but a bench grinder/polisher will do a more than good enough job. Just be very careful not to have the part snatched out of your hand/fingers.

Threads in flat leaf springs
Avoid them like the Black Plague. It is impossible to selectively heat-treat a spring and leave a soft spot for a threaded hole. The spring will flex at the soft (or softer) spot and will be virtually usless. If a threaded hole must be used, the hole is drilled and tapped in the usual manner but a tap that is .005" larger in O/Diameter is used. The slight increase in size will make alowance for the shrinkage of the material/threaded-hole after heat-treatment. Do not try and run a tap into a tempered spring -- unless you enjoy making things twice over and buying more taps .
To mke a spring or hardened steel part "workable" it must be annealed or normalised. To anneal the part, heat it all over to a red heat, ie a heat that will glow bright red in the dark. Place it in a box of slaked lime (garden lime) and cover it with at least 2 or 3 inches of lime. Come back in 12 hours and take it out. This is called Annealing and produces the softest state obtainable.
Normalised steel. This is heating the same way and cooling in air. The part may be a little tougher but still very soft. Most steels are normalised when you buy them.

My C/5 Project.
This has unfortunately had to be on hold due to extreme pain in my hip and feet. I was also called back to do some drawing for my ex boss. It has been too cold at night (and also too tired) to work in the workshop. CAD drawing and designing is mentaly exhausting and then building becomes too much and yet the building is very relaxing. I hope to get back to it next week. I just came back from a three day (reduced to two day) fishing trip. It was so rough that we all became sea sick. I was even sick and this was the first time ever in over fourty plus years of fishing and boating, yes, it was really bad.
cisco
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17 Jul 2008 11:41am
Who would need to go to TAFE when you have a forum like this one.

Thanks Joe.
sn
sn
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18 Jul 2008 8:24pm
On minesites in W.A. you now have to have safety glasses/ goggles AND full face visor when using a grinder- as well as the gloves.
nebbian
nebbian
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18 Jul 2008 9:00pm
So Kody,

If I wanted some steel to be in the stiffest state possible, how would I go about heat treating it?
landyacht
landyacht
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18 Jul 2008 9:28pm
sn said...

On minesites in W.A. you now have to have safety glasses/ goggles AND full face visor when using a grinder- as well as the gloves.

so you cant see what your doing properly. have no peripheral vision whatsoever, and cant hold the grinder properly with the bulky gloves theyve made you wear
thank a god that you can go home and do all that stuff in your own shed

nebbian
nebbian
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18 Jul 2008 9:44pm
That's funny, at BHP we were taught never to use gloves when grinding/lathing as it's too easy to get one sucked into the machine, and then you lose your whole hand instead of just the tip of a finger
Kody
Kody
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19 Jul 2008 9:40pm
nebbian said...

So Kody,

If I wanted some steel to be in the stiffest state possible, how would I go about heat treating it?



It all depends on exactly what you mean by "stiff" and what you want to do with it. If you want a narrow bar to be as "stiff" as possible you would need an alloy steel formulated for the designed job. Not knowing exactly what you wanted I would have to make a guestimate of your requirements.
So, I would take a piece of spring steel, harden it by cooling in oil (NEVER in water) and then temper it to a rich plum colour all over.
Keep in mind that "stiff" is also part of hardness. What you may be looking for is extreme toughness. It is important that some degree of flexing is always catered for. All steel parts must have some degree of flexure in them. If they cant flex even a very small amount, they will shatter from being too hard. This is why I like the spring steels for so many jobs provided the spring steel properties meet with the job requirements. spring steel is certainly tough and can be tempered to a lower heat to give toughness (resistance to flex or bending) and not become too brittle. There is however, a fine line between success and failure, between "stiff" and brittle. If the "stiff" part snapped as a "plum colour", then I would temper the new part to a purple colour.
As stated above, this is a guestimate. To gain the ultimate strength, stiffness and toughness, you need to know the exact temperature to heat the specific steel for hardening. Then you need the exact temperature for tempering. There is also a time factor for each opperation that the heat be retained for the type of steel used. The cross-section is also important and must be concidered if the part is tapered in section, eg. a knife blade.
A much better way to temper long "thin" parts is to use a steel hot plate. Eg. if you want to temper a round or square bar about 6mm or 9mm in diameter, you would need a MILD STEEL bar about two inches longer than the part and about 3/4" x 2" wide. Grind all the scale off with an angle grinder on the two edges and and the top face. Keep your grotty fingers off the clean ground surfaces. Put the bar on a fire brick and build a wall of bricks around the job. Now comes the fun part. Heat the steel bar very carefully and uniformly all over until it has reached the temper colour you want. Place the job in/on the center of the bar and watch it change colours. It will reach the same temp (colour) as the steel bar. Leave it to cool, it cant get any hotter. Do this at least two times, three times is better. Polish the part and grind the steel each time the same as before.
Those grotty fingers contain oil from your skin (and from the workshop) and any trace of oil on the parts will give you a false reading of the colours. The oil changes colour (burns) and the result is a part that is far too hard (and brittle)
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