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Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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SA, 2865 posts
13 Apr 2010 8:59pm
The minium area you should be looking for would be a carpark size of 30+ cars minium, open with very few trees to block the wind, minimal fences and other things to hit. You need to think of onlookers and their safety as well.
The harder the surface the faster you will go, soft footy ovals are a good size but often quite soft, I often work on the thoughts for sand and mud is if you leave a "full" footprint on the surface it will be to soft for sailing.
Safety gear that should be regarded and used EVERY TIME should be, closed footware, helmet, seatbelt and optional leather / gardening type gloves.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
13 Apr 2010 8:16pm
I rarely wear gloves, but closd footwear and a helmet are what I consider minimum gear.
that 32mm tube woud be fine, Ive been cutting up really old windsurfer booms.they often have all sorts of great Vclamp fittings attached
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
13 Apr 2010 10:56pm
Mark, just got your email.

I will post a pair of bushes tomorrow morning- so you should have them in a couple of days.
("Terrain Tamer" part number 90385-18022P)

The dimensions are as follows-

40.20mm outside diameter,
18.20mm inside diameter,

While you are waiting for the Aussie Post camel train to deliver, you can find your steel tube and steering shaft with the dimensions shown here.

You will need a piece of tube AT LEAST 90mm to 100mm long, with an internal diameter of 40mm.

It might need to be a bit longer depending on the diameter of your main chassis tube. (I think I cut mine at 120mm)

Your steering shaft will need to be of 18mm (or a smidgen larger)
if you wanted to get really flash, you could fit a grease nipple at the half way point of the tube so you can pump grease into the steering head- but that is not mandatory!

As far as safety gear goes- helmet, goggles or sunnies, shoes or boots, seatbelt are needed- and the main thing to remember if things go pear shaped is DONT PUT YOUR FEET OUT OF THE CART!!! its not a good idea to put your feet on the ground if you are moving no matter what the speed!

its easy to forget- and you can guarantee that kids will forget it real quick too!

I am thinking of fitting straps to the pedals so the kids cannot remove thier feet until I unbuckle them.....

dont worry about the cost of the bushes- stick some construction photos on the forum if you can and we will call it quits
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
14 Apr 2010 5:23pm
Thanks sn, will be checking mail with excitement!!! i will post some pics next week. Love the grease nipple idea. Pulled out sail tonight, the sail is a batonless sail, a little smaller than i thought approx 4m.(think it was a storm weather sail) will this matter? i was thinking i could use this to start with then if necessary source another. Are batons essential for sail shape?
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
14 Apr 2010 7:34pm
Your 4m sail should be ok if you are on a hard surface like salt, clay, concrete or bitumen.

If you are trying a soft surface like a well cared for grass oval you probably wont move much...however if it is a drought affected oval that is a bit dried out it might work.

As for the battens- I am not an expert in that area so its best to speak to someone who realy knows what they are talking about, some sails not only need battens- they need the correct stiffness batten too!

posted the bushes this morning, the steering shaft can be made from a long bolt of the corect diameter, or if you have access to a lathe- or someone who has one, you can turn one down fron steel barstock.

If you know any kids in high school they can probably do the job for you as the manual arts section has all the machinery there.

If there are any recycling centers in your area visit them regularly to find yourself cheap secondhand sails.
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
15 Apr 2010 4:50pm
I have 1 neighbour who is rubbish removal, constant source of scrap including sails, already on order & across the street just picked up a metal lathe.(he will need the practice) i think i will be set for all the parts now i will need just an odd slab of beer!!! If all works out i might convince them to make a yatch themselves!!!
I'm going to start practice welding tomorrow, the more practice the better the weld!!!!
I do sail conventional water yachts & to stop we simply turn into the wind, i would suspect this will be the same!!! Is a brake necessary, as i cannot see it being very effective, actually it looks dangerous. it maybe good for sand & mud but would you need a brake on these surfaces? the only thing i can think the brake may be good for is if any onlookers are concerned about the use of the yacht you can show them it has a brake
cheers
gt
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
15 Apr 2010 6:27pm
You are right,head into the wind to de-power same as water sailing.
THe brake is used after you have slowed down and ONLY in the last few metres to come to a stop.
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
15 Apr 2010 5:09pm
the only thing i can think the brake may be good for is if any onlookers are concerned about the use of the yacht you can show them it has a brake


pretty good guess!!

the brake is only for use when just barely moving, on hard salt it doesnt do much at all, on bitumen or concrete it does even less. on my local lakebed it works well(lake gnangara)

on a grass oval it can be pretty spectacular (the ripped up grass that is) as the brake can dig in and make quite a mess.
not a good idea if the council gardener is watching.........I blamed the kids on the pocket motorbikes who cut in front of me and the gardener agreed
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
19 Apr 2010 5:42pm
Whoooo hooooo bushes arrived today!!!! Thanks sn these are full on bushes, i wont feel a thing from the steering!!! Started welding on the w/e. Not the best weld ever but they should hold. i am going to continue building this one as i am anxious to sail!!! I will more than likely build another one taking more time to get the welds looking good. I have not welded for a couple of year so i should have practiced more!!!! Fortunately i already have half the materials for my next one. Also I have ordered the fallshaw wheels hopefully they will arrive late this week. $60 delivered per wheel. can anyone tell me how & what is seating the bearings on the axel? Should i be using a 20mm washer to hold wheel straight or is that what the seating does? i am a little confussed
cheers
gt
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
19 Apr 2010 7:05pm
Hi GT
I think you are referring to the seating of the wheel bearings on the front axle
The explorer design calls for a bead of weld to be welded on to the axle so that
any side loads wont cause the bearing to rock over Weld the bead of weld in line with the weld where the fork joins the axle and file it square so the bearing sits square on the axle You could weld a 20mm washer on there to do the same job
Hope this helps
Hiko
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
19 Apr 2010 8:47pm
Thanks Hiko, starting to make sense. I think I will use a washer (neater) can i use the washer on the rear as well.
cheers
gt
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
20 Apr 2010 6:19am
Yes you can When I did mine I found a thin walled piece of tube that made up the difference between the 20mm shaft and the 30x30 rhs axle and when I welded it all up I left a bit of the tube sticking out for the bearing to run up against
By cutting slots in the rhs square and the tube with my angle grinderI was able to weld right through to the shaft holding the whole lot together
Just one of many ways of doing it I would post some photos but my old browser is
no longer supported apparently.
I have been left behind again !
cheers Hiko
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
20 Apr 2010 3:46pm
thanks hiko, its about time for a browser update...its 2010. cant wait to get my wheels then it will all make sense {i hope}.
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
28 May 2010 2:57pm
G'day Globetrotter. Just wondering if you have any news regarding how your mini is coming along? Found a good source for used sailboard/windsurfer masts?
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
2 Jun 2010 8:23pm
Thanks for asking & sorry for not keeping people up to date I will post some pic this w/e. Its nearly finished, not 100% happy with front end something is slightly out, however pushes around well & steers straight. Only seat needed to be finished & then wind. i hopefully can test it at the local train station carpark sunday arvo. Been watching and usually empty at that time. I also think my sail may come down too low. could i just get a longer mast? or will i need to cut & sew the sail.
cheers
gt
aus230
aus230
WA
1660 posts
WA, 1660 posts
2 Jun 2010 8:33pm
Just add a small section to the top of the mast.
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
3 Jun 2010 7:47pm
There is always a simple solution,
Thanks for that aus
I am getting excited now hope it gets windy!!!!
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
3 Jun 2010 9:16pm
If you need to make your mast a bit longer- wait until your missus is out shopping and "borrow" one of her vacuum cleaner extension pipes- usually they are a good fit on the top of your mast and you gain around 500mm to 600mm.

different brands of vacuum may vary with tube diameter and length.

then again- it might be safer to get your neighbour to scrounge some for you if your missus is anything like mine.
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
3 Jun 2010 10:21pm
i will scrounge one i think, dont want to give the misses any excuss not to vacuum
i was going to use a wood pole but a vacuum extension is a work of genius. Would a plastic extension be strong enough or should i go metal?
Cheers
gt
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
4 Jun 2010 6:22am
You could put some wood inside the plastic tube perhaps if thats all you can find
A hose clamp around it could make the height adjustable until you find the height you want
We would love some pictures we love success!
Cheers Hiko
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
4 Jun 2010 6:43am
You could put some wood inside the plastic tube perhaps if thats all you can find
A hose clamp around it could make the height adjustable until you find the height you want
We would love some pictures we love success!
Cheers Hiko
Globetrotter
Globetrotter
74 posts
74 posts
16 Jun 2010 11:00pm
Sorry everyone for being so slack. Now I"ve taken some photos to put on show just need to download off camera. Promise by this weekend. Thanks to everyone for there help & cant wait to give a test run
cheers
gt
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