sailed a cart with a 'cam cleat' to hold the sheet

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dudevato
dudevato
19 posts
19 posts
17 Oct 2011 3:33am
Wow, it was Nice! I never thought about just hanging onto the sheet, it was just part of sailing. As soon as I saw his cart I thought, $%@# YES! Much easier to drink your tomatoe & egg plant smoothie when you have one of these on your machine
www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=54285&familyName=Schaefer+Fast+Entry+Cam+Cleats
Not connected with the company at all, but I looked on line for a bit and this place seemed to be cheaper by quite a bit.
So I ordered 2 thinking my cart needs one and I sure plan on building another, so ............
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2866 posts
SA, 2866 posts
17 Oct 2011 8:49am
It scares me when people use them..... yes they work.... but in gusty conditions they are dangerous..... and in small sailing sites like car parks they can be downright B###DY LEATHAL.
I would seriously say for newcomers to the sport DO NOT USE CLEATS for the main sheet, a better option is make your final pulley a ratchet pulley it has all the advantages of a cleat on the main sheet and also it has the safety feature of being able to be let out at any time..
Its not a good feeling trying to get a yacht and pilot out that's wedged under a car because they couldn't let the main sheet off and panicked.

www.ronstan.com/marine/supportoverview.asp

Yachts like the Blokart, Manta, Old style Class5 or yachts with mast support bracing from the rear axle, it's often good to grip that bar and main sheet together to take some of the rope pressure.
colk2004
colk2004
317 posts
317 posts
17 Oct 2011 4:16pm
I don't have much experience but I would think using a cleat is the same as when some joker tied a knot in the end of my sheet "to stop me having to redo the rigging"....very funny when you can't let out because its jammed. Lucky for me I had a few miles of runway to sort it out Ratchet blocks are the mutts for making life easy...as long as they're a lot bigger than the rest of the blocks you're using. Puzzled though, as when I'm chasing down Blokarts or trying to follow the class 5's I always seem to be doing something with the sheet for that last kph. Perhaps UK wind is different

Cheers Col
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
17 Oct 2011 8:10pm
cam cleats can be great if they are in just the right spot,and cant inadvertantly catch the sheet.For me ,i found that it was the 1 thing I liked about the blokart handlebars.
I do find that the windrange where they can be effectively used is suprisingly small. all that applies to my mini
On my 5 it is one of the things on my shopping list. when I built susans promo back in 2007 I found that with a torsional class 5 chassis it was quite reasonable to sail,even in stronger winds with the sheet cleated.It comes down to the design and your experience level.
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
18 Oct 2011 12:08am
I have a Jam/Cam Cleat mounted on the boom of the Razor and find it good on medium wind days if the wind is steady but never use it in gusty conditions. As it is the Razor tried to throw me on Saturday and never having that happen before it seems there is quite a bit of time between occurrence and reaction finding the correct counter to the Beast's maneuver to pelt you out on the tarmac,
Ron
dudevato
dudevato
19 posts
19 posts
18 Oct 2011 12:34am
OK Gizmo, good advise, I'll mount it, but use it when conditions say so. I'm out there to have fun, not get hurt
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
19 Oct 2011 5:56pm
Nikrum said...

I have a Jam/Cam Cleat mounted on the boom of the Razor and find it good on medium wind days if the wind is steady but never use it in gusty conditions. As it is the Razor tried to throw me on Saturday and never having that happen before it seems there is quite a bit of time between occurrence and reaction finding the correct counter to the Beast's maneuver to pelt you out on the tarmac,
Ron



which one is it ron?it looks like you have a JAM cleat which is BAD
there are also CLAM cleats, also bad for a sheet.
what you should have is a CAM cleat without the fairlead( the loop that feeds the sheet into the cammed jaws of the cleat.
there are big differences in them all
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
19 Oct 2011 9:41pm
When I first used them they were called Jam Cleats and I was an inovator in there use in Hang Gliding in NZ. Used at the Wing Tip to retain the Sail tension.
2 Ribbed Jaws that the rope caught in. It takes very little effort to flick the Sheet away from the Cleat, one just has to be ready to release it when required.
I guess with a lot of use Familiarity Breads Contempt. They definately cann't be used in small tight confined spaces. One just doesn't have time to settle into a run before spilling to sloe and turn.
Ron
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
19 Oct 2011 6:55pm
do they have 2 moving jaws-thats a cam cleat
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
20 Oct 2011 9:51am
Fixed Jaws. I never use them without the Sheet firmly in my fist for a quick flick of the wrist to release it.
Ron
PS; I tend to use it when a rest is needed.
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